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re: The "you already lost to LSU" argument
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:26 am to bona fide
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:26 am to bona fide
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People desire that we have playoff formats and we already do for conferences. A team wins a conference and they should have eliminated the rest of their conference from NC contention. That is how a playoff works.
I was unaware that "a playoff" refers specifically to the NFL playoff. How silly of me.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You opened your paragraph with some epic stupidity, and continued from there. LSU beat Bama, and you know damn well if Bama beats LSU In the championship it will settle nothing in the minds of many people. The season "series" is 1-0 right now.
If you can't see that, you are in WAY over your head.
No, it's just that some of you hardheaded Rantards can't recognize a point when it's being made. I'll try to make it clearer for you. The point is that finding the #2 ranked BCS team has absolutely, positively NOTHING...NOTHING...NOTHING..to do with who the #1 team is unless there is some question as to who the #1 team is. LSU has NOTHING to do with determining who the #2 team is regardless of how bad some of you Rantards want them to be. Because all the contenders for #2 have 1 loss then you have to look at who they lost to as well as their body of work. Many Rantards want the LSU loss to be a automatic disqualifier for Alabama because they've convinced themselves of some non existant rule against teams that don't win their conference or even their division being able to play in the BCS title game. That is the point of view that I'm calling ridiculous and absurd.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:27 am to arwicklu
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Nobody was against playing Oregon again.
I had been saying Oklahoma st or Oklahoma winner the whole time (obviously not Oklahoma now). I was not saying Oregon.
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So if everyone had three losses and Bama had one, then you'd pick the best 3 loss team?
Not in that extreme case, but in 2007 Kansas didn't get into the NC with less losses. They didn't win their division or conference.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:27 am to arty
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I can take another loss to LSU. Won't bother me a bit if that's the way it plays out. I'll tip my hat and say congratulations.
Of course you can! You saw your team choke away an opportunity to go the BCSNC untainted. If you luck into a rematch, of course you won't be bothered. You'll be thrilled. You thought you were dead and you were given life. Damn the fact that it makes a mockery of the SEC championship and everything else. By all means let's satisfy the curiosity of Bama fans by letting them try to win a game they lost again. Not only that, let's make the second game the only one that matters while the first game is just some dust on the road of history.
I have to admit, that is a great position to be in. You choked, everyone saw you choke AND you still get a chance to make it right against that same conference opponent.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:27 am to arty
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Yep, I believe Bama is the better team. Better teams lose all the time. Shat happens.
quote:Now you're lying to yourself. You would've played Kentucky in the 2009 NCG if they'd have let you. Don't give me this "I only want to play the best teams" bullshite - been there, beat that, bring on the cupcakes.
That's right. You wish for the easiest opponent. If LSU is so much better than Bama you should relish in the fact you might can beat them twice in one year. I know I did when Bama beat Florida twice in one year.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:28 am to TigerWoody
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it's not as great a probability as some (bamasgot13)
I am only basing my opinion on the rematch being more likely than not on the public opinions of those who earn their living analyzing and predicting the BCS (Edwards, Palm, etc). If I were to base my opinion on the opinions of those who share their predictions on the Rant then I would definitely say there is a 50/50 chance. However, since no one on here is actually a true BCS expert, I'll defer to those who truly are. Those people say it is more likely than not to happen. In fact, Edwards says 90% and Palm said 80%.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:29 am to Colonel Flagg
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The NFL has a smaller pool of teams and more games. So other sports are not really comparable to college football.
There are a ton more team and less games than basically every other major sport.
So which playoff system are you referring to? NCAA BB? NCAA Baseball? Last I check they all can win without winning their division or conference. Same is true in NBA and MLB. So when you say that is not how playoff systems work, which ones are you referring to?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:29 am to bamasgot13
quote:Right. And so pointing to those odds doesn't mean that Vegas "thinks" Bama will win, or that they have a 90% chance of getting there.
I recognize that. I bet. Key words in your response is MAKE MONEY. It isn't how they "lose money". There is a reason they've calculated those odds that way. They want action on both sides - for and against. They wouldn't get action on both sides if they had LSU at +3000 to win it all. ALL the money would be on LSU. They wouldn't get action if they had Bama at +3000 to win it all, either.
They set realistic odds to gain bets on both sides. They make their money on the juice.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:30 am to Govt Tide
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Many Rantards want the LSU loss to be a automatic disqualifier for Alabama because they've convinced themselves of some non existant rule against teams that don't win their conference or even their division being able to play in the BCS title game.
Maybe they should just decide #2 using the computer score since we know the voters are more biased. That is the only fair thing to do. Don't you think?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:30 am to Teague
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Bama is the #2 team in the country, and by BCS rules, they play the #1 team. /the end
Today you are correct- if for some odd reason OK ST or someone else slips into the second place of the BCS in the final poll before nc game
will tide fans be ok with that?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:31 am to Colonel Flagg
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I had been saying Oklahoma st or Oklahoma winner the whole time (obviously not Oklahoma now). I was not saying Oregon.
Well I can see why you'd want to play a team that couldn't beat Tech. Nothing says championship caliber like losing the Tech at home.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:31 am to bona fide
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So which playoff system are you referring to? NCAA BB? NCAA Baseball? Last I check they all can win without winning their division or conference. Same is true in NBA and MLB. So when you say that is not how playoff systems work, which ones are you referring to?
The conference has nothing to do with it. That was not his point.
he was saying that winning your conference should get you in the hypothetical playoff that he was talking about. How are you not following this?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:31 am to Govt Tide
quote:You don't HAVE to do any of that. Some voters will. Some voters won't.
Because all the contenders for #2 have 1 loss then you have to look at who they lost to as well as their body of work
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:31 am to NaturalBeam
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Right. And so pointing to those odds doesn't mean that Vegas "thinks" Bama will win, or that they have a 90% chance of getting there.
It does not. It DOES mean that Vegas (and the people they employ to analyze this stuff for them) think the odds (i.e. chances) of Bama making it to the game are greater than the chances of OSU or Arky. Vegas is indicating that the odds (i.e. liklihood) of an LSU/Bama rematch are greater than the odds of LSU playing anyone else in the field.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:32 am to bona fide
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So which playoff system are you referring to? NCAA BB? NCAA Baseball? Last I check they all can win without winning their division or conference. Same is true in NBA and MLB. So when you say that is not how playoff systems work, which ones are you referring to?
Ok
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There are a ton more team and less games than basically every other major sport.
So which of the examples are comparable to College football in regards my statement?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:32 am to arty
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When you win just about everywhere except the scoreboard it naturally leaves you wondering what if
everywhere? kicking.....
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:32 am to NaturalBeam
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quote: Yep, I believe Bama is the better team. Better teams lose all the time. Shat happens.
No...better teams do not lose, at least not better that game. If your belief was accurate, than keeping score would be meaningless. In fact playing the game would be unnecessary. The score is the only way we can judge who is better. Fail...
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:32 am to bamasgot13
quote:No, it only means that relative to how much money will be wagered on those events occurring. After ESPN all but guaranteed Bama would be in the game, I could've told you that Vegas would post odds like that.
It does not. It DOES mean that Vegas (and the people they employ to analyze this stuff for them) think the odds (i.e. chances) of Bama making it to the game are greater than the chances of OSU or Arky
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:33 am to 756
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if for some odd reason OK ST or someone else slips into the second place of the BCS in the final poll before nc game
will tide fans be ok with that?
We'll have no choice but to be ok with that. It will be a product of the system. Just as other fans will have no choice but to be ok with it if we remain #2.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:33 am to TigerWoody
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I already know the answer. It is why you refuse to go look yourself.
Sure you do.
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