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re: The "you already lost to LSU" argument
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:17 am to arwicklu
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:17 am to arwicklu
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Is it more fair that a team can lose to Iowa State at the end of the season and win a national championship. You want a team to be rewarded for choking because you don't want the BCS to match the two top teams. The BCS is supposed to match the two top teams whether they are in the same division or not.
People desire that we have playoff formats and we already do for conferences. A team wins a conference and they should have eliminated the rest of their conference from NC contention. That is how a playoff works.
The thing is people want do overs. A large amount of people want a playoff so their at large team can fail in conference play, but still get a shot (ex- 2007 UGA, 2011 Bama).
OSU losing to ISU and getting to the NC would be just like OSU being in a different bracket than Bama. OSU ends up winning their bracket and Bama does not.
LSU would beat both teams in NOLA though.
It really comes down to would Bama like to finish #2 overall in the final polls or finish down with the rest of the two loss teams.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 10:18 am
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:17 am to Kingpin
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You LSU fans are so self-centered
Holy shite, that is rich coming from a 'Bama fan.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:17 am to shinerfan
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but I don't think there are any teams out there at this point who can pick up a 12th win,
VT? I didn't look it up though.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:17 am to arty
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If you corndogs had any reading comprehension you would see in my statement I said I'd gladly get beaten twice in one year to be proven LSU is the better team
Who the frick are you that we need to beat Bama twice to satisfy you?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:18 am to Govt Tide
quote:bingo.
If the roles were reversed, both teams would still be bitching for the same reasons. It doesn't change the fact that it doesn't matter - ultimately voters will decide who they want to see play in Nola.
This is true and also what scares me as an Alabama fan.
...and it's not as great a probability as some (bamasgot13) want to believe though I will say it is better than 50%.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is college football in which there is no playoff. Anytime you have a situation where two teams finish with the same records, particularly against each other, there will be dispute. It's a fairly simple concept but I still don't expect folks from Bama to quite understand it.
If that's the case, then I'm sure the AP would vote you champions like they did USC.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:19 am to arty
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I'm not making excuses
quote:Sounds like you are. You still believe Bama is the better team obviously. So there's some excuse as to why the better team lost, I suppose.
If you corndogs had any reading comprehension you would see in my statement I said I'd gladly get beaten twice in one year to be proven LSU is the better team.
quote:Nope, I wish for the easiest opponent. This has been one of the toughest schedules we've ever played, and we have nothing left to prove to anyone. If y'all meet us in Nola, I'll be happy to see you there. But if I have a pick, I'll hope for a weaker team.
So quit wishing you can beat up on a weak arse OSU team and let's strap it up.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:19 am to therick711
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The real question is why can't you acknowledge that you weren't the better team that day. The excuses and the claims of winning everything but the scoreboard. It is really quite ridiculous.
The better team doesn't always win. I witnessed Punt Bama Punt that proves that.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:19 am to arty
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LSU didn't get close enough to try 4 50 yard field goals.
quote:I already know the answer. It is why you refuse to go look yourself.
I don't know why don't you look at the drives of the game.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:20 am to Colonel Flagg
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People desire that we have playoff formats and we already do for conferences. A team wins a conference and they should have eliminated the rest of their conference from NC contention. That is how a playoff works.
Which playoffs? NFL? Someone should tell the wild card teams about this.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:21 am to bona fide
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Which playoffs? NFL? Someone should tell the wild card teams about this.
He's talking about the difference between college and a playoff system, but good reading skills you have.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:21 am to Govt Tide
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LSU fans and other anti rematch fans actually try to argue the absurd point B as the correct way to determine who #2 is. It makes no logical sense whatsoever
Neither does making blanket assertions about "LSU fans" when there have been plenty of LSU fans who wouldn't mind a rematch at all.
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the main focus of the BCS AT THIS POINT is to determine who #2 is
Technically, yes, but more fundamentally, no. The focus of the BCS is to produce the best team as national champion. As a practical matter, the method they've chosen is to put the #1 and #2 teams in the NC game. But, the underlying assumption there is that we don't KNOW with certainty whether #1 or #2 is really the best, which is why we have them play each other. When a prospective #2 has already played #1 and lost, then that uncertainty is removed, so it really wouldn't even make sense to play a national championship game. MAYBE another prospective #2 is better than #1, maybe not. So, do you give a team that might or might not be better than #1 a chance to show that it is? Or do you give a team that already had the chance to show it was better and failed a mulligan?
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Think of how irrational and bizarre that argument is
It's not irrational or bizarre at all.
And for the record, I agree with you that LSU and Alabama are the two best teams. I think we would beat Oklahoma State if we played them, but I might be wrong. I won't really KNOW until or unless we do play. But I already DO know how the LSU-Alabama game turned out, because it's already been played.
That said, there's no team I'd rather beat for the NC than Alabama.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:21 am to Colonel Flagg
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OSU losing to ISU and getting to the NC would be just like OSU being in a different bracket than Bama. OSU ends up winning their bracket and Bama does not.
So if everyone had three losses and Bama had one, then you'd pick the best 3 loss team? Nobody was against playing Oregon again. It's very curious that the anti-rematch folks are only against rematches they may lose.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:22 am to BRgetthenet
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We'll be happy to beat you again.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:22 am to NaturalBeam
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Sounds like you are. You still believe Bama is the better team obviously. So there's some excuse as to why the better team lost, I suppose.
Yep, I believe Bama is the better team. Better teams lose all the time. Shat happens.
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Nope, I wish for the easiest opponent. This has been one of the toughest schedules we've ever played, and we have nothing left to prove to anyone. If y'all meet us in Nola, I'll be happy to see you there. But if I have a pick, I'll hope for a weaker team.
That's right. You wish for the easiest opponent. If LSU is so much better than Bama you should relish in the fact you might can beat them twice in one year. I know I did when Bama beat Florida twice in one year.
I can take another loss to LSU. Won't bother me a bit if that's the way it plays out. I'll tip my hat and say congratulations.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:23 am to Nuts4LSU
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there's no team I'd rather beat for the NC than Alabama.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:23 am to bona fide
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Which playoffs? NFL? Someone should tell the wild card teams about this.
The NFL has a smaller pool of teams and more games. So other sports are not really comparable to college football.
There are a ton more team and less games than basically every other major sport.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:24 am to NaturalBeam
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These aren't predictions - this is how they make money
I recognize that. I bet. Key words in your response is MAKE MONEY. It isn't how they "lose money". There is a reason they've calculated those odds that way. They want action on both sides - for and against. They wouldn't get action on both sides if they had LSU at +3000 to win it all. ALL the money would be on LSU. They wouldn't get action if they had Bama at +3000 to win it all, either.
They set realistic odds to gain bets on both sides. They make their money on the juice.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:25 am to LNCHBOX
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He's talking about the difference between college and a playoff system, but good reading skills you have.
The system wasn't designed to eliminate the second best team in a conference if they're the second best team in the country. It designed to get the two best teams together. If every week is a playoff, then 4 teams got knocked out of the playoffs last week.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:25 am to LNCHBOX
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He's talking about the difference between college and a playoff system, but good reading skills you have
Have you said anything accurate in this thread yet?
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People desire that we have playoff formats and we already do for conferences. A team wins a conference and they should have eliminated the rest of their conference from NC contention. That is how a playoff works.
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