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re: The pac 12 is done as a conference.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:07 am to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:07 am to TheCheshireHog
I knew the Pac12 was dead as a power5 conference when Bama played Clemson a few years ago 10 miles down the road from Stanford and no one in Santa Clara even knew there was a game going on that weekend.
USC, Oregon, Washington and Utah are the only ones with any sort of meaningful following.
That said I would hold off on laughing at them because if changes aren't made CFB is quickly headed to being a regional sport limited to the midwest and south and is ripe for a financial implosion if and when ESPN gets cut loose from Disney.
USC, Oregon, Washington and Utah are the only ones with any sort of meaningful following.
That said I would hold off on laughing at them because if changes aren't made CFB is quickly headed to being a regional sport limited to the midwest and south and is ripe for a financial implosion if and when ESPN gets cut loose from Disney.
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:17 am to tide06
Sorry that never got to see Texas and OU over there. Would have liked to see them in the same conference as UCLA and USC.
Delaying the inevitable but would have still been more interesting than the last decade.
Delaying the inevitable but would have still been more interesting than the last decade.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:20 am to TrumpedUpVol
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At some point, especially given what we're seeing in terms of demographic trends of the Rust Belt versus the south, I'd imagine that trend breaks.
That point a loooong way away, of it ever happens at all. Big 10 has a massive population footprint, especially after adding California, and a good chunk of it is economically healthy, growing, and population stable. Even the worst cities like Detroit and Cleveland aren't nearly as bad as they were 20 years ago, and are bouncing back economically.
And don't pretend the south doesn't have it's bad parts too. Louisiana and Mississippi are both losing population at a faster pace than Michigan or Ohio these days.
Growth wise Texas, Georgia, Florida, and parts of Tennessee and SC are basically carrying the SEC in pop growth. The rest of the states are dead weight at best.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:21 am to paperwasp
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Everyone has been so focused on making it like the NFL, they never stopped to realize that it shouldn't be like the NFL.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:22 am to tide06
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CFB is quickly headed to being a regional sport limited to the midwest and south and is ripe for a financial implosion if and when ESPN gets cut loose from Disney.
Sadly, this is looking like the most likely outcome for the sport. The heyday of college football is almost certainly in the past.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:39 am to MOJO_ERASER
So are the Big 12 and ACC. Stick a fork in'em...they'll be done, soon.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:59 am to Krampus
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Sadly, this is looking like the most likely outcome for the sport. The heyday of college football is almost certainly in the past.
The low key factor no one talks about relative to attendance is the tax code change that happened in the Trump tax cut where you can’t deduct your seat donation anymore.
The vast majority of season tickets are owned by individuals not businesses and the hit on 4-6 tickets can be thousands of dollars per year in additional costs to attend.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:04 pm to tide06
The reason is simple, they don't have the passion for CFB in the west the way the south does.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:12 pm to Krampus
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Growth wise Texas, Georgia, Florida, and parts of Tennessee and SC are basically carrying the SEC in pop growth. The rest of the states are dead weight at best.
Another good reason that, if the SEC is "forced" to expand further, Virginia and North Carolina need representation.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:21 pm to MOJO_ERASER
Can’t wait to have two teams from the Southeast play in the regular season, play in some division/conference title, then matchup for a third time in the CFP out in Pasadena.
It’s a good thing when people around the country care about the sport, even if it was in their own region. I can see folks in Washington/Oregon/NoCal just not giving a shite anymore.
It’s a good thing when people around the country care about the sport, even if it was in their own region. I can see folks in Washington/Oregon/NoCal just not giving a shite anymore.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:33 pm to TouchdownTony
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know I'm older but I will never stop missing the days of the Big 8, SEC, SWC, Pac 10, ACC, Big 10 a
I say do away with Mega conferences and go back to this with a playoff that includes each conference champion. Everyone else goes to bowls
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:34 pm to tide06
Pac 12 schools may be best suited to just go the basketball route.
I feel like the major shift we are enduring is similar to the Ivy League schools de-emphasizing athletics.
We thought this would end with 64 power schools. I think we could go closer to 30.
I feel like the major shift we are enduring is similar to the Ivy League schools de-emphasizing athletics.
We thought this would end with 64 power schools. I think we could go closer to 30.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:38 pm to BurgTiger
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The B10 is and it seems will always be the money and academic leader.
But not the championship leader
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:05 pm to deltaland
Big 12 is going to be the 3rd super giant conference with sec and big ten. Looking at 3 20 team conferences. Now they are not going to have the same power in football as sec but in basketball some would say they will be number 1.
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:23 pm to MOJO_ERASER
Unlike a lot of folks I will miss the old PAC-8/10 conference. While it was dominated by the two Los Angeles schools in the big sports there were a lot of great rivalries there.
At the end of the day... it is the SWC with a slightly larger footprint. A lot of people there mind you, but the viewership isn't that high because college sports is meh on the West coast unless USC or UCLA is red hot.
That is what doomed the conference. Even when Washington or Oregon was hot... if it wasn't the LA schools no one watched. When you add on that 75% of the country is done watching football and tucking into dinner by the time most of their games start... yeah. The writing was on the wall. They should have nabbed Texas and Oklahoma.
Even if those two programs would have been a poison pill outside of the SEC.
At the end of the day... it is the SWC with a slightly larger footprint. A lot of people there mind you, but the viewership isn't that high because college sports is meh on the West coast unless USC or UCLA is red hot.
That is what doomed the conference. Even when Washington or Oregon was hot... if it wasn't the LA schools no one watched. When you add on that 75% of the country is done watching football and tucking into dinner by the time most of their games start... yeah. The writing was on the wall. They should have nabbed Texas and Oklahoma.
Even if those two programs would have been a poison pill outside of the SEC.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:24 pm to TouchdownTony
don't forget the Big East
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:31 pm to MOJO_ERASER
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The pac 12 is done as a conference
Beginning of the collapse. Interest in ESPN’s maimed, semi-pro version of college football is plummeting.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:13 pm to BevoBucks
Conferences built on the Coasts are having the hardest time staying legitimate.
Being more centrally located and easier for more schools location wise has made a difference I believe.
Being more centrally located and easier for more schools location wise has made a difference I believe.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:31 pm to bigDgator
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I agree with this and it is mostly because liberals stick together, which will eventually drive me out of college athletics.
Typical "gotta, somehow, turn this political" post.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:33 pm to mckibaj
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Auburn is going out to Berkeley this year. Cal is supposed to make a return trip in 2024.
Want to go, but that is a very pricey trip.
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