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re: The Long Slide - Tennessee Volunteers Football

Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:16 pm to
Posted by Gore Vidal
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:16 pm to
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:26 pm to
I think the key for Tennessee right now is they have to stabilize the program first. Baby steps if you will. There should be nothing wrong with an 7-5 and then 8-4 season right now in Knoxville.

**the problem. The culture/fan base won’t allow that.

UT really can’t keep going through these constant recycles. Have to get some consistency.

I think eventually they will be back. Just too many resources to not. But who knows how long that will take.
Posted by boston vol
Lexington-Fayette, KY
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:34 pm to
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UT really can’t keep going through these constant recycles.

Actually you can. You keep firing and hiring until you get it right. There have been plenty of programs that have shuffled through a lot of coaches in a short span until they found the right one.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39390 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:45 pm to
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Tennessee’s problem is Nick Saban.


Even vandy has been a problem for them.
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
3914 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:54 pm to
That sure has worked for UT since 2007…
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60677 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:56 pm to
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UT’s downfall has nothing to do with recruiting and everything to do with poor coaching hires.


So close and so far away

Creating dynasties is as much about the entire coaching staff as the head coach. It is why Saban's run is impressive and why it has yet to be seen if Dabo's will continue. While the Fat Man was in Knoxville he kept a pretty static coaching staff till near the end when he had to reload staffs every year. You had 3 and 4 year played but assistant coaches getting hired away every year. Outside of Saban, who else has survived that kind of turnover?
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 7:19 pm to
They should have hired Lane Back not that guy from UCF. Lane is a Offensive guru and can recruit. He would have been perfect.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 7:39 pm to
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Lane is a Offensive guru


The guy brought in is statistically better than Lane without being a walking colostomy bag.
Posted by boston vol
Lexington-Fayette, KY
Member since Sep 2015
6653 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 7:46 pm to
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That sure has worked for UT since 2007

Because we’ve hired shitty coaches……what should we have done instead, held onto Dooley and Butch for a year or two more just for the sake of stability?
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 8:28 pm
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 7:48 pm to
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the problem. The culture/fan base won’t allow that.


I hope I’m at least a little plugged into the pulse of Tennessee athletics. 7-5 this year would be slightly ahead of where the expectations are right now. Yes post Fulmer through the beginning of Jones the fans expected to win every game. But now 7-5/8-4 for a couple of seasons would be welcomed as long as it’s building towards championships. If 9-10 regular season wins is the ceiling because UGA or Florida are down isn’t going to last.

This is a shell shocked fan base that will show up en mass to see decent football. All they want right now is progress.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
38429 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 7:56 pm to
Tennessee on the long slide like a G34.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
5693 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 8:49 pm to
Alabama would be in a much different position had the Saban hire not occurred which further proves my point. I acknowledge that Saban is a genius but we are simply looking for competence
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39390 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:06 pm to
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247 ranked football facilities a couple months ago. UGA was 7th in the SEC, 9th if you include OU and TX and the 2 right behind UGA started building to pass them last year.



Once you have elite facilities, as uga does, you aren’t being left behind. Besides, Chances are Brad Crawford, whoever that is, hasn’t been to most of these places he ranks, so it’s hilarious for you to consider him an expert. Have a higher standard.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32596 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:07 pm to
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I wouldn’t trade the vols 20+ years of shite for an ancient national title.


Good news, you will have to worry about seeing a national title
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:18 pm to
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elite facilities, as uga


Elite by what standard? Not by 247, or SI, or Rivals, or any publication I can find. By SEC standards they are average to below average. You do understand that at this level a multipurpose small indoor facility, a dated weight room, and a couple of stadium upgrades just isn’t going to cut it.

By the way have you ever been at a collegiate training table? Or a collegiate locker room or a training facility? Would you recognize a good one much less an elite one if you were in it?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39390 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:25 pm to
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Elite by what standard?


What do you think we are lacking that Keeps our facilities from being elite?

Brad Crawford does a terrible job of explaining and comparing. For your point to be strong, you need to prove that he knows a ton about facilities, and that he has been to them to experience them.

The burden is on you, as it’s currently an extremely weak point of yours.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:56 pm to
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The burden is on you, as it’s currently an extremely weak point of yours.


This isn’t a one off for him. It’s kinda something 247 pays him to do. UGA was 11th overall 5th in the SEC/7th if you include TX OU) in the 2019 rankings. It’s pretty consiwith Lineups.coms 2021 rankings, and athletic edge, athleteconnectapp, historically no publication has listed UGA in its top 10.

I mean UGA facilities are fine and reflect the AD being cheap and dated instead of being innovative.

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39390 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:17 pm to
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This isn’t a one off for him. It’s kinda something 247 pays him to do.


Why do you think he is well qualified?

I ask because 247 simply pays him to lazily edit a subjective ranking year after year, and that is not a qualification.

There is an extremely high chance he hasn’t visited our facilities recently, if ever, so how many has he visited, and how recently?

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mean UGA facilities are fine and reflect the AD being cheap and dated instead of being innovative.



What do you think we are lacking that Keeps our facilities from being elite? What exactly makes them dated?
Posted by Kiner
Member since Aug 2021
183 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:24 pm to
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What do you think we are lacking that Keeps our facilities from being elite?

Championship teams for the past four plus decades.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20894 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:33 pm to
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I ask because 247 simply pays him to lazily edit a subjective ranking year after year, and that is not a qualification.


I listed multiple publications using different lists that drew similar conclusions. It’s not a conspiracy to knock UGA. They are just cheap and dated.

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What exactly makes them dated?

They are generally behind the curve on cutting edge technology and practices. Generally slow to adapt to changes. In fact the only thing they can claim to be ahead of most schools on is the light show that they and Bama installed at the same time that flopped.
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