re: The ACC Grant of Rights

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You can fight it all you want, and you don’t have to like it, but Clemson will either be joining the SEC in the next 10 years or playing a lower level of football. Unfortunately, it’s tha

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No Clemson. No FSU. Don’t need them.

If the ACC is broken Georgia Tech is gonna be an issue. They should NEVER be considered for admission into the SEC due to the way they left the SEC but they are a perfect fit culturally and academically for the Big 10 and them going there would open up the metro Atlanta area to further recruitment to the big 12 which would negatively impact every team in the SEC. The traditional SEC teams fanbases will probably be against Tech being in the SEC while the johny come latelies probably don't care...but if they are turned away every program in the SEC is going to lose more recruits to Big 10 schools than they do normally.

I honestly don't think the SEC will take the lead on another round of expansion.

If the Big 10 wants to expand, the SEC might add a few more teams, but I don't think they're itching to grow past the 16 they'll have with OU and TX.

I think the SEC doesn't see teams worth expanding to get.

Clemson, Miami and FSU are in states that are already SEC heavy. North Carolina and Virginia are new markets, but don't have a huge interest in football.

None of those teams is an OU or Texas quality program either. Clemson is really good right now, but more average historically and is in a small market that the SEC already has a presence in. FSU and Miami were elite in the past but are in a market the SEC already has a presence in and nether are that relevant at the moment.

I think the SEC feels like those programs will diminish outside of the SEC and allow the SEC to steal their market share without splitting the payout pie into more slices.

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It’s not just about markets anymore. It’s about matchups. FSU vs Alabama will be watched by more folks than let’s say a Arky vs aTm type game.

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And if we were "exchanging" teams, there might be an argument. But adding a team means another mouth to feed, and while Clemson/UGA and FSU/Bama are games which draw a lot, it also means FSU/Uk, Clemson/Vandy, FSU/Arkansas and Clemson/MSU... which nobody cares about.

Texas vs ANYONE or OU vs ANYONE is a draw. Clemson and FSU aren't at that level.

If we could remove teams to replace with some of them there'd be an argument. But that's not happening.

I think it’s important to know how the leaders of the B1G and SEC see the landscape in 10-20 years.

If they are working together, and it appears they might be, then they have already determined the number of teams. It’s just a matter of timing at that point.

The B1G has already vetted Oregon & Washington, and most likely California and Stanford.

That puts them at 20, so that means the number is at least 40, which means the SEC needs at least 4 teams.

If you go to 8 divisions of 5-6 teams.. you need anchors in each of those 8 divisions.

1) USC, UCLA, Oregon
2) Michigan, Nebraska, Wisconsin
3) Ohio State, Penn State
4) Notre Dame? Miami/GT?

If you don’t put Notre Dame there, then you would have to put Penn State there, and Idk that it would make much sense.

5) Texas, Oklahoma
6) Alabama, Auburn, LSU
7) Florida, Georgia, Tennessee
8) Florida State, Clemson, Miami?

Again.. you could split up Georgia and Florida, but I think it makes more sense like this. It provides pretty good balance across both conferences. The SEC is going to be stronger in the beginning either way.

Either way, I think the SEC will likely add at least 4 teams, more likely 8 teams in the next 10-15 years.

FSU
Clemson
Miami
NC State
Va Tech
WVU
Oklahoma State

That’s my guess.

Why Oklahoma State?

Texas
A&M
Oklahoma
Ok State
Arkansas
Missouri

makes a lot of sense if Arkansas is ok with that setup.. if they want to stay with the SEC West, then Colorado or Kansas or maybe even Arizona/ASU would be in play.

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It's becoming more and more self-evident that conferences are getting really tired of equal sharing. That needs to be the answer for the ACC.

Personally, why should BAMA have to equally share with Vandy? Or LSU for that matter.

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The SEC and Big 10 are strong because they are behind equal sharing. The Big 12 has largely collapsed because they weren't.

That's part of being in a conference. If you don't want to split the money, go independent.

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The B1G has already vetted Oregon & Washington, and most likely California and Stanford.

That puts them at 20, so that means the number is at least 40, which means the SEC needs at least 4 teams.

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The Big Ten vetted Oregon and Washington, and said, Thanks, but no thanks, you don't bring in enough money.

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This past winter, Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren made a push to expand again, this time targeting Washington and Oregon as a pair of West Coast neighbors to go along with new additions USC and UCLA.

To expand again, more broadcasting dollars (at least $200 million a year) were needed to assure that school distribution remained whole. The most likely broadcasting dollars would come from ESPN or streamers Amazon and Apple. Neither happened.

"It was 'Show me the money!' and there wasn't any money," says one Big Ten administrator.

Money aside, many of the league's athletic directors and presidents did not have the appetite for further expansion and still do not. As one recently told Sports Illustrated, "We are done." But will that change if the Pac-12 begins to crumble? Will there be any new money, potentially from Big Ten partner Fox or even ESPN?

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Sports Illustrated

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Would love to have NC and NCState

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I wouldn’t… I hate this shite

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Agreed.. but the bigger point I was making is that they were looking to grow. That means the number is most likely > 16 each. I also read that they may offer less than a full share that eventually gets bumped up to a full share.

No matter how you slice the pie, Notre Dame is not going to get left out. So unless they are replacing someone like Northwestern or Vanderbilt, the number is > 32.

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Were they really looking to grow, or just to make the addition of USC and UCLA more palatable? I don't think the Big Ten and SEC are rushing headlong toward some final status for college athletics. This stuff seems to happen more accidentally, than by design. The only entity that had some kind of grand design in the last 15 years was the Larry Scott-led Pac 12, and we see how that has worked out.

I think we end with two 32 team mega conferences. NFL minor leagues like baseball with an alleged allegiance to a University. It would work because 8 West Coast teams could be a mini conference within the bigger conference and not have to send their tennis team 2,000 miles to play.