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re: Texas A&M baseball hires Jim Schlossnagle from TCU
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:25 pm to WhosYourDaddy
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:25 pm to WhosYourDaddy
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Jim is TCU baseball and he built TCU into what it is today from the ashes before Saarloos arrived.
Schloss was unable to get beyond regional play except once before Kirk arrived. One appearance in ten years.
After Kirk arrived? They had four consecutive CWS appearances in a row. I'm not buying what you're selling.
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:29 pm to LSU316
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On the surface this looks like a no brainer HR hire....however I have some TCU friends and they are more excited to see what Saarloos can do as a head coach than they are sad to see Schlossnagle go.....in fact one of them told me they should have fired him before COVID because he was on his way down and looked like a man uninterested in coaching...I'm told him he was crazy.
We'll see how it ends up.
That's what I hear, as well. Used to see him riding around in his golf cart on the way to practice -- he lived near Lupton Field.
I don't know what the tea leaves hold, but I remember when A&M hired Dennis Franchione. His success was markedly different when he didn't have Gary Patterson, no matter how much money A&M threw at the problem for an "elite" staff.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:32 pm to PantherCity
Fran did have a great 2002 season at Alabama. But his recruiting was abysmal. Sanctions or not.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:40 pm to PantherCity
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Schloss was unable to get beyond regional play except once before Kirk arrived. One appearance in ten years.
He made it to a super in 09 and CWS in 10. That was an 8 year window when Jim built TCU up from nothing.
The results were better in the next 10 years. It coincided with other strong hires.
That's a pretty strong couching tree he's built.
Bill Mosiello
Tony Vitello
Randy Mazey
Todd Whitting
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:40 pm to CapstoneGrad06
That guy was such a slimeball. When Patterson wanted to interview for the TCU job, Franchione told the hiring committee that Patterson "wasn't ready" to be a head coach. He intentionally sabotaged Patterson because he wanted him to remain on staff.
Most coaches want their assistants to find success. Franchione actively tried to undermine his own coaches in order to keep them under his thumb.
Most coaches want their assistants to find success. Franchione actively tried to undermine his own coaches in order to keep them under his thumb.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:41 pm to PantherCity
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I don't know what the tea leaves hold, but I remember when A&M hired Dennis Franchione. His success was markedly different when he didn't have Gary Patterson, no matter how much money A&M threw at the problem for an "elite" staff.
What a silly comparison. Fran didn't have near the track record. The only similarities were he was at TCU at one time and A&M hired him.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:42 pm to PantherCity
Franchione was a terrible, terrible hire. That is what happens when you don't let the AD do their job. Back when A&M was run by the boosters ...
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:43 pm to PantherCity
Trying not to derail the thread, but last thing on Fran. I loved the guy until he crawled away in the night. Lied to his players on the plane ride from Honolulu that he wasn’t leaving. Then after the fact we find out he had talked to Aggie representatives the week of the iron bowl and wasn’t at multiple practices. 
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:46 pm to CapstoneGrad06
He was a first class scumbag. It took quite a while to recover from him.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:49 pm to Farmer1906
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He made it to a super in 09 and CWS in 10. That was an 8 year window when Jim built TCU up from nothing.
Ehhh... Kinda true, kinda not. There was a lot going on with athletics and the conferences and all that crap, and how that hurt every program at the time.
Schloss reminds me a lot of Ole Miss' Bianco. If A&M would be happy with that, I'm not sure why they didn't just hire Bianco. Bianco is only 4 years older.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:51 pm to Farmer1906
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What a silly comparison. Fran didn't have near the track record. The only similarities were he was at TCU at one time and A&M hired him.
And, of course... losing a key assistant that adversely affected his success. Franchione was never the same after losing Patterson. Patterson went to have far more success than Franchione ever did. Hell, Petterson went 12-0 and won the damn Rose Bowl. That's more than a lot of SEC teams can claim.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:52 pm to PantherCity
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Schloss reminds me a lot of Ole Miss' Bianco. If A&M would be happy with that, I'm not sure why they didn't just hire Bianco. Bianco is only 4 years older.
Expound because their results are very different.
Look at the last 9 years (8 seasons with Covid) when TCU joined the Big 12.
6 Conference titles (3 regular season)
4 CWS appearances
Bianco in the last 20-21 seasons
3 conference title (1 regular season)
1 CWS appearance
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:02 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Impressed they were able to pull him. Aggies will legit again in baseball.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:03 pm to Farmer1906
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Expound because their results are very different.
Look at the last 9 years (8 seasons with Covid) when TCU joined the Big 12.
6 Conference titles (3 regular season)
4 CWS appearances
Bianco in the last 20-21 seasons
3 conference title (1 regular season)
1 CWS appearance
Let's be frank. Bianco's run in the SEC has faced far greater challenges than Schloss did in the Big XII. I think over half of Bianco's tenure, an SEC team has either won the CWS or played runner-up. So, let's not pretend all things are equal here, because they're not.
Big XII has some good teams and some decent history. SEC is a far more devastating meatgrinder. Who did Schloss face that was on the level of some of the SEC elite coaches? Only one I can think of is Augie. That's it.
So, all things aren't being equal here. To compare the two by sheer numbers alone, I don't think is a very good idea. After all, was Ole Miss a decent club before Bianco? I'm genuinely asking. I don't ever remember seeing them anywhere.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:05 pm to PantherCity
Let's be more frank. you sound bitter your coach got stolen.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:08 pm to PantherCity
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Let's be frank. Bianco's run in the SEC has faced far greater challenges than Schloss did in the Big XII. I think over half of Bianco's tenure, an SEC team has either won the CWS or played runner-up. So, let's not pretend all things are equal here, because they're not.
Big XII has some good teams and some decent history. SEC is a far more devastating meatgrinder. Who did Schloss face that was on the level of some of the SEC elite coaches? Only one I can think of is Augie. That's it.
So, all things aren't being equal here. To compare the two by sheer numbers alone, I don't think is a very good idea. After all, was Ole Miss a decent club before Bianco? I'm genuinely asking. I don't ever remember seeing them anywhere.
That would be an excellent counter point if he was just talking about conference titles.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:13 pm to Hogfan13
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Let's be more frank. you sound bitter your coach got stolen.
I don't mean to be. Thought I was talking to an Aggie fan that seemed to know a lot about college baseball. We do that in Texas sometimes. Foreign concept, I know...
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:16 pm to rockiee
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That would be an excellent counter point if he was just talking about conference titles.
Right. So, all those years FSU played junk ACC teams and was only challenged at the end of the season, that was just as legitimate as someone like Bama or UF that faced a far more difficult path to success?
Because we've always been told that the SEC's road to success is far more difficult -- no matter what the sport. Now you're telling me it's not?
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:19 pm to PantherCity
I don't disagree with you that the SEC isn't the tougher overall conference. The Big 12 is usually 2nd or 3rd depending on how up or down the ACC is.
However, once you get to regionals, its all good teams. Schloss's record in Omaha
3-2
1-2
2-2
2-2
3-2
Not only has he made it to the CWS 5x, he doesn't just show up and lose like so many Aggie teams. He's never made the finals, but a regular in the semis.
I just think when you stack up his resume the last ~10 years its as good as anyone short of a title.
However, once you get to regionals, its all good teams. Schloss's record in Omaha
3-2
1-2
2-2
2-2
3-2
Not only has he made it to the CWS 5x, he doesn't just show up and lose like so many Aggie teams. He's never made the finals, but a regular in the semis.
I just think when you stack up his resume the last ~10 years its as good as anyone short of a title.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:20 pm to PantherCity
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Because we've always been told that the SEC's road to success is far more difficult -- no matter what the sport. Now you're telling me it's not?
More difficult yet you get the benefit of the doubt. Lsu and Bama only won like ~12-13 conference games this year and they were rewarded with regional births. A&M did the same a few years back.
How many sub .500 teams make regionals like that in other conferences?
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