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re: Texas A&M baseball hires Jim Schlossnagle from TCU
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:22 pm to PantherCity
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:22 pm to PantherCity
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Right. So, all those years FSU played junk ACC teams and was only challenged at the end of the season, that was just as legitimate as someone like Bama or UF that faced a far more difficult path to success?
Because we've always been told that the SEC's road to success is far more difficult -- no matter what the sport. Now you're telling me it's not?
First, I'm not sure how anything you just said was a counter to my point. Maybe you just misunderstood what I said?
Second, the majority of SEC fans are not arguing that the SEC is the toughest league in basketball so I'm not sure who you are talking to besides some outlier examples.
The SEC is obviously more difficult to win in baseball, thats why I said your statements above make more sense if he are just discussing conference titles because Scholossnagle did have an easier time in the Big 12 compared to Mike in the SEC. You argument holds less weight though when discussing the CWS appearances.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:27 pm to Farmer1906
We'll have to agree to disagree, then. Fair enough. I believe that winning the conference affects postseason play, and that is such an advantage as far as seeding. I think Bianco has faced far, far greater challenges.
I don't know about Bianco as a leader and mentor, however. Schloss is a good dude. And that is important. And as the face of a program, he keeps his nose clean. Another invaluable trait. He's a quality dude and a quality hire.
Can he withstand the brunt of SEC play? We'll see. I remember reading that MSU was prepared to offer him north of $2 million. He turned that down. So, I'm not sure about the whole coaching in the SEC thing -- seems like there are other elements at play.
I don't know about Bianco as a leader and mentor, however. Schloss is a good dude. And that is important. And as the face of a program, he keeps his nose clean. Another invaluable trait. He's a quality dude and a quality hire.
Can he withstand the brunt of SEC play? We'll see. I remember reading that MSU was prepared to offer him north of $2 million. He turned that down. So, I'm not sure about the whole coaching in the SEC thing -- seems like there are other elements at play.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:43 pm to Farmer1906
In truth, I have a feeling that this has been in the works for some time.
It's not a surprise. I think after 2018, the wheels were set in motion that Schloss was going to exit in the near future -- which is why Saarloos came back and turned down coaching opportunities. I think Kirk has been groomed to take over once Schloss left, and that was the plan all along.
Saarloos turned down MLB and head coaching opportunities to be an assistant at TCU. And good on Schloss for making sure that the program was left in good hands.
Can't be bitter at a guy for doing that. He did right by the program. If it all works out the way it very well could, I think everyone will get what they want -- coaches included.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 3:51 pm to PantherCity
quote:According to some of the baseball insiders, it has been in the works since late last year. Which makes sense because we knew Childress was gone months ago.
In truth, I have a feeling that this has been in the works for some time.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 4:14 pm to ColoradoAg
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According to some of the baseball insiders, it has been in the works since late last year. Which makes sense because we knew Childress was gone months ago.
The energy in College Station has been on such a palpable upswing since Bowtie left. I mean, the direction of all athletics at A&M has been so resoundingly different.
Bet y'all feel pretty damn good.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 4:17 pm to PantherCity
Between Jimbo, Buzz, and now Schloss that is some serious upgrading in the Big 3. We still have Pat Henry to bring us some titles in T&F, Blair to make runs in WBB, and Coach G in soccer to stay pretty good.
I wouldn't link it to Bowtie's exit. He was a leader to get us into the SEC. He was a hell of a lot better than the president we just got rid of. Some woke dork from the PNW.
I wouldn't link it to Bowtie's exit. He was a leader to get us into the SEC. He was a hell of a lot better than the president we just got rid of. Some woke dork from the PNW.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 4:18 pm to PantherCity
Bowtie got us to the SEC. Everything has been gravy since!
Posted on 6/9/21 at 4:33 pm to ColoradoAg
Yes, that was my point. Got you into the SEC and promptly skedaddled.
Nothing done has ever changed the trajectory of A&M athletics than that. UT has run off how many programs? From the SWC breakup to the Big XII, they just leave conference after conference in their wake.
Nothing done has ever changed the trajectory of A&M athletics than that. UT has run off how many programs? From the SWC breakup to the Big XII, they just leave conference after conference in their wake.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:00 pm to PantherCity
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Schloss was unable to get beyond regional play except once before Kirk arrived. One appearance in ten years. After Kirk arrived? They had four consecutive CWS appearances in a row. I'm not buying what you're selling.
They made the CWS 4 years in a row right after Vitello left. In other words the first half of the run would have been with kids Saarloos didn’t even recruit. He is Skip Johnson and like Skip you have to wonder why he turned down so many HCing jobs up to this point, that is a red flag to me. Doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t be successful, he might get his chance here soon
You can push the narrative that it was mostly Saarloos but you would just be blowing smoke.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:34 pm to PantherCity
quote:They are bad business partners. I'm pretty sure Nebraska would work hard to make certain they are never part of the B1G, and Mizzou, A&M, and Arkansas would all veto them for the SEC. I don't think they will be leaving the B12 anytime soon except to go Independent.
UT has run off how many programs?
Nobody wants to deal with them
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:48 pm to WhosYourDaddy
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They made the CWS 4 years in a row right after Vitello left. In other words the first half of the run would have been with kids Saarloos didn’t even recruit.
So, you're saying it was only the kids Saarloos developed. Not sure that helps you. The numbers don't lie. Saarloos' emergence as pitching coach had a profound effect on the team, lowering the overall ERA to the lowest it had been in over 40 years.
The notion that Schloss' success can be replicated in a vacuum is absurd. A lot went into his success, and a big part of that was Saarloos.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter.
Because the guy's not a diamond version of Saban. You don't just plug and play in his system. Believing that he is would be unfair to both the team and Schloss himself. If that's how it's going to be, I feel sorry for him. Then again, the SEC is brutal.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 10:19 pm to PantherCity
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So, you're saying it was only the kids Saarloos developed. Not sure that helps you. The numbers don't lie. Saarloos' emergence as pitching coach had a profound effect on the team, lowering the overall ERA to the lowest it had been in over 40 years.
The notion that Schloss' success can be replicated in a vacuum is absurd. A lot went into his success, and a big part of that was Saarloos.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter.
Because the guy's not a diamond version of Saban. You don't just plug and play in his system. Believing that he is would be unfair to both the team and Schloss himself. If that's how it's going to be, I feel sorry for him. Then again, the SEC is brutal.
No I’m saying the kids that were apart of those runs, even to the back half of those 4 straight CWS appearances, were recruited by Vitello and over the course of that run the roster turned over.
The 2014 team would have been made up of kids almost exclusively recruited and developed by Vitello and that staff. Saarloos deserves more credit for the back half of the run as he had developed those kids for a few years at that point.
He is a very good pitching coach, one of the best in the country, you could argue for hours debating his exact impact. I think the majority of TCU ans oversell his impact because they knew this day was eventually coming and it makes it easier to swallow.
Im glad we are in agreement that his success cannot be recreated in a vacuum. Just take a look at his coaching tree, if anything Saarloos had it easy. He came along when it was built. Imagine being Todd Whitting or Randy Mazey and trying to convince kids to come to a private school that is expensive as hell and oh by the way we’ve sucked arse at baseball since we launched the program but believe us it is going to be different now.
Do you realize TCU had 2 NCAA tournament appearances all-time before Schloss arrived. He took the job in 2004 and by 2010 went into Austin, took down Texas who was the #2 national seed and 50-13 (24-3)... Went 3-2 at the CWS that year and was a game away from playing for a natty 6 years after taking over a doormat. You know who the two pitchers that he lost to in Omaha that year were? Trevor Bauer and Gerrit Cole lol..
You’ll never get anybody who follows college baseball nationally and not just in a bubble to believe that bullshite that Jim Schlossnagle is nothing without Kirk Saarloos.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 6/10/21 at 1:08 am to WhosYourDaddy
I'll say this...
I was watching Augie Garrido at Goodwin Field decades before UT ever smelled that guy's jock. A lot of assistants over that time, and they didn't pay them jack squat. Augie had a good eye for assistants, and who he had for different stretches at a time greatly impacted his success.
You and I both know that a head coach is only as good as his staff. The question it all comes down to is: can a coach replicate the level of excellence needed to succeed? Now, Augie was one of the true greats in college baseball history. But the product on the field suffered toward the end of his second stretch at Fullerton until he got Horton. Once Horton found his feet, you could tell that Horton was going to be a success. And he was. At least at CSUF, where he won a title as head coach.
Where Horton and Garrido differed was that Augie had an eye for talented coaches, while Horton did not. Once at Oregon, he could not replicate that success.
So, all of this is simple circumspect. Can Schloss build a staff that can help him win? Because his simple coaching ability is not going to do it. And the notion that TCU became a power under Schloss, we both know that playing in patsy conferences to pad your record is a good way to elevate a program. That's why Bill Snyder played absolute garbage in order to get his team on the map. But baseball money doesn't shine as bright as football money. Programs with paltry budgets can win and do. A&M's ability to throw money at the program means far less than people think it does. Because I saw firsthand what Augie did at one of the junkiest stadiums I've ever had the displeasure of sitting in. The athletic budget was stretched so thin, they didn't even finish their football stadium. And, in fact, dissolved the football program entirely.
Anyway, TCU is not a baseball power. It isn't in the ranks of any top-tier program. I do not consider a baseball program top-tier until they have won more than one national championship. See, UT did the smart thing and brought in a proven winner. A man that won multiple national championships on a shoestring budget. This is not the same scenario. It's just not. I don't care how much money they throw at the program. Augie's ability to judge assistant talent was light-years beyond Schloss. Let's not forget, Vitello's final years at developing talent at TCU was one of their worst years under Schloss' stewardship. Where they barely posted a record above .500.
It was after he left that TCU made that run. But, like I said, this is neither here nor there. We'll see how he does. I expect middle of the road seasons.
I was watching Augie Garrido at Goodwin Field decades before UT ever smelled that guy's jock. A lot of assistants over that time, and they didn't pay them jack squat. Augie had a good eye for assistants, and who he had for different stretches at a time greatly impacted his success.
You and I both know that a head coach is only as good as his staff. The question it all comes down to is: can a coach replicate the level of excellence needed to succeed? Now, Augie was one of the true greats in college baseball history. But the product on the field suffered toward the end of his second stretch at Fullerton until he got Horton. Once Horton found his feet, you could tell that Horton was going to be a success. And he was. At least at CSUF, where he won a title as head coach.
Where Horton and Garrido differed was that Augie had an eye for talented coaches, while Horton did not. Once at Oregon, he could not replicate that success.
So, all of this is simple circumspect. Can Schloss build a staff that can help him win? Because his simple coaching ability is not going to do it. And the notion that TCU became a power under Schloss, we both know that playing in patsy conferences to pad your record is a good way to elevate a program. That's why Bill Snyder played absolute garbage in order to get his team on the map. But baseball money doesn't shine as bright as football money. Programs with paltry budgets can win and do. A&M's ability to throw money at the program means far less than people think it does. Because I saw firsthand what Augie did at one of the junkiest stadiums I've ever had the displeasure of sitting in. The athletic budget was stretched so thin, they didn't even finish their football stadium. And, in fact, dissolved the football program entirely.
Anyway, TCU is not a baseball power. It isn't in the ranks of any top-tier program. I do not consider a baseball program top-tier until they have won more than one national championship. See, UT did the smart thing and brought in a proven winner. A man that won multiple national championships on a shoestring budget. This is not the same scenario. It's just not. I don't care how much money they throw at the program. Augie's ability to judge assistant talent was light-years beyond Schloss. Let's not forget, Vitello's final years at developing talent at TCU was one of their worst years under Schloss' stewardship. Where they barely posted a record above .500.
It was after he left that TCU made that run. But, like I said, this is neither here nor there. We'll see how he does. I expect middle of the road seasons.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 1:40 am to texag7
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Did I say you were?
What a nut
Glad to see everyone is finally tired of your dumb arse.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 1:41 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:50 am to Farmer1906
Buzz?
WTF has he done in his 3 piece suites?
Dudes not a good coach. Will be lucky to win 12 games in year 3.
WTF has he done in his 3 piece suites?
Dudes not a good coach. Will be lucky to win 12 games in year 3.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:55 am to Golfer1
He has been a disappointment thus far, yes. But the hire at the time was pretty damn impressive. A&M doesn't have the best history or facilities when it comes to basketball. But to pull a coach away from a program he built up is always impressive.
Between his stops at Marquette & Virginia Tech (11 seasons), he took them to 8 tourneys, 3 sweet 16s, and 1 elite 8. VT was terrible when he took over too.
Between his stops at Marquette & Virginia Tech (11 seasons), he took them to 8 tourneys, 3 sweet 16s, and 1 elite 8. VT was terrible when he took over too.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:56 am to PantherCity
What is this that I am hearing about TCU telling Saarloos they are going another direction? Is your AD being an idiot Panther?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:05 am to ColoradoAg
National search, bro. Sorry, Saarloos.
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