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Tennessee vs Ranked Opponents
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:04 pm
Last six games against ranked opponents
@ Georgia 2024- loss by 14
vs Ohio State 2024- loss by 25
vs Georgia 2025- loss by 3
@ Alabama 2025- loss by 17
vs Oklahoma 2025- loss by 6
vs Vanderbilt 2025- loss by 21
Six straight losses by an average of over 14 points.
At what point do Tennessee fans grow weary of Heupel?
Tennessee’s most recent wins in order…
Florida (4-8)
New Mexico State (4-8)
Kentucky (5-7)
Arkansas (2-10)
Miss State (5-7)
UAB (4-8)
ETSU (FCS)
Syracuse (3-9)
Vanderbilt (7-6)
UTEP (3-9)
Miss State (2-10)
Kentucky (4-8)
Overall record in the last 18 games is 12-6 with 11 of those 12 wins coming against opponents with losing records… the other one was over a 7-6 team.
There will be at least 5 SEC teams with new coaches next year… Seems like the 2026 hot seat rankings will have Stoops at the top, followed by Beamer. Is Heupel next?
@ Georgia 2024- loss by 14
vs Ohio State 2024- loss by 25
vs Georgia 2025- loss by 3
@ Alabama 2025- loss by 17
vs Oklahoma 2025- loss by 6
vs Vanderbilt 2025- loss by 21
Six straight losses by an average of over 14 points.
At what point do Tennessee fans grow weary of Heupel?
Tennessee’s most recent wins in order…
Florida (4-8)
New Mexico State (4-8)
Kentucky (5-7)
Arkansas (2-10)
Miss State (5-7)
UAB (4-8)
ETSU (FCS)
Syracuse (3-9)
Vanderbilt (7-6)
UTEP (3-9)
Miss State (2-10)
Kentucky (4-8)
Overall record in the last 18 games is 12-6 with 11 of those 12 wins coming against opponents with losing records… the other one was over a 7-6 team.
There will be at least 5 SEC teams with new coaches next year… Seems like the 2026 hot seat rankings will have Stoops at the top, followed by Beamer. Is Heupel next?
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:06 pm to AUTiger789
He told his NIL diva QB to pound sand and really didn’t have much offensive talent to work with this year.
Tennessee finished pretty much where I expected them to in the preseason but I was surprised and concerned they couldn’t put up more points throwing the ball on that bad Vandy secondary.
Tennessee finished pretty much where I expected them to in the preseason but I was surprised and concerned they couldn’t put up more points throwing the ball on that bad Vandy secondary.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:17 pm to AUTiger789
Think heupel will makes changes in defense. Their fans seem content with him
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:23 pm to tide06
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He told his NIL diva QB to pound sand and really didn’t have much offensive talent to work with this year.
The very late timing of the QB situation was bad. Worse has been defensive injuries. Our best two corners didn’t play this year.
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Tennessee finished pretty much where I expected them to in the preseason
Same as almost all Vol fans. There was a thread before the season and almost everyone predicted between 7-9 wins.
There have been several threads about how Vol fans must be disappointed in Heupel. He took over a 3-7 program and in the past 4 years won 11 games, 9 games, 10 games, and 8/9 games. Y’all are lunatics if you think we are upset with Heupel
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:27 pm to VOLhalla
If he doesn't make changes it would become a problem. You have to remember we're fresh off butch Jones ans Dooley. We'll give him a pass this year but do expect changes on the defense
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:29 pm to Themicah86
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f he doesn't make changes it would become a problem. You have to remember we're fresh off butch Jones ans Dooley. We'll give him a pass this year but do expect changes on the defense
You talking as if I’m not the actual UT fan in this conversation
ETA: also really weird how don’t mention that we are actually fresh off of Jeremy Pruitt, the coach that preceded Heupel and was probably the worst coach in UT’s history
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:32 pm to AUTiger789
That’s the wide choice offense for ya, coming to the plains for 2026
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:37 pm to VOLhalla
Didnt mean to reply to you, yea I guess I've done a decent job at completely forgetting the Pruitt years
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:37 pm to VOLhalla
I’m not on the Fire Banks train just yet. I attribute our defensive performance to attrition, injury, and youth. Given that he had us at the #23 and then #3 (ish) total defense in the previous two years, respectively, I’d let one more season play out.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:38 pm to AUTiger789
I don't think Heupel's a bad coach. But he is a coach who gained his position by using a relatively uncommon scheme. That works for a while, until enough opponents take it seriously and devote time to stopping it, and then it becomes less effective. The question now is whether Heupel has true coaching talent that transcends his scheme. That's a more rare commodity and takes a lot more skill than adhering to a scheme.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:40 pm to AUTiger789
He's a slightly better Butch Jones. Next year will be make or break. They have Bama and Georgia course, both Texas teams and now LSU with Kiffin.
Good luck with that.
Good luck with that.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:40 pm to AUTiger789
Yeah we suck. But in all seriousness Heupels tenure will be the story of if he can hold assistant coaches accountable. There needs to be some changes. If not we could see a Dan Mullen situation in knoxville
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:42 pm to wdhalgren
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I don't think Heupel's a bad coach. But he is a coach who gained his position by using a relatively uncommon scheme. That works for a while, until enough opponents take it seriously and devote time to stopping it, and then it becomes less effective.
Our returning QB tried to blackmail us and went out and got a D2 QB this past summer. UT is sixth in total offense for 2025.
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The problem isn’t UT’s offense or Heupel’s scheme
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:44 pm to wdhalgren
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I don't think Heupel's a bad coach. But he is a coach who gained his position by using a relatively uncommon scheme. That works for a while, until enough opponents take it seriously and devote time to stopping it, and then it becomes less effective. The question now is whether Heupel has true coaching talent that transcends his scheme. That's a more rare commodity and takes a lot more skill than adhering to a scheme.
Not implying his offense isn't capable of getting broken down but he scored enough to win against uga and the defense let them down
Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:49 pm to VOLhalla
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The problem isn’t UT’s offense or Heupel’s scheme
IF you're capable of reading with comprehension, you'll realize I didn't insult your coach. What I said was his offensive scheme has a shelf life, and the more successful it is, the more teams will devote extra time to stopping it. If he reaches the playoffs he'll be facing a steady diet of very good coaches and analysts.
Scheme can put up good numbers against inferior programs, but it won't win a championship. That has nothing to do with attrition and every team has plenty of attrition every year.
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UT is sixth in total offense for 2025.
But lowly UGA had more points per offensive drive vs SEC opponents than Tennessee, straight up and adjusted for opponent averages. That takes out the element of scheme.
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 7:51 pm to AUTiger789
No. Only idiots want rid of him. We are more or less where I’d like expected to be after the offseason from hell. Think we have a chance to be good in the future. It could be a lot worse. At least Heupel has some decency unlike Kiffin. Sometimes fans need to learn to be patient
Posted on 11/30/25 at 8:00 pm to wdhalgren
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But lowly UGA had more points per offensive drive vs SEC opponents than Tennessee, straight up and adjusted for opponent averages. That takes out the element of scheme.
How the hell does that “take out the element of scheme”?
Heupel just took a D2 QB, put him in the offense for a few months, and produced the sixth best offense in the country. And you’re claiming Heupel’s offense is becoming less effective
It’s pretty obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about
ETA: UT scored more per game in SEC play than UGA despite playing tougher SEC defenses
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 8:14 pm to VOLhalla
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How the hell does that “take out the element of scheme”?
What's the goal of an offense; to score as many points as possible every time they have possession. Georgia's offense scored more points per possession than Tennessee's offense in non-garbage possessions. That was in all FBS games or only SEC games. It was also true if you adjust for opponent averages. In other words, Georgia's offense this year was more efficient than Tennessee's offense. And we've had lots of injuries.
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Heupel just took a D2 QB, put him in the offense for a few months, and produced the sixth best offense in the country.
That's the point, he didn't do that and it wasn't the 6th best offense in the country. He took a G5 QB with about 6 years of post high school experience and put him in a system that defenses don't see very often. Heupel's scheme simplifies the QB's job which can lead to quicker uptake but not better long term results. It also works best when he runs plays at a fast pace, but that means more drives for the opposing offense as well, which makes your defensive numbers look worse.
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 8:33 pm to wdhalgren
You claimed that looking at points per possession somehow takes “out the element of scheme”. Scheme/coaching plus talent equals total offensive output. Looking at points per possession doesn’t magically eliminate the element of scheme
But he did. He took lesser talent and produced the sixth best offensive output in the country. He also took that talent and produced more ppg than UGA against tougher defenses.
Now you’re claiming UGA was better per possession in SEC (while providing no links) which may be true considering UT played better defenses. Got some links?
Finally, you’ve shifted to saying that Heupel’s offense doesn’t work because it hurts the defense. Explain why UT’s defense was significantly better the past two years than this year? The only logical explanation is defensive injuries this year
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That's the point, he didn't do that and it wasn't the 6th best offense in the country
But he did. He took lesser talent and produced the sixth best offensive output in the country. He also took that talent and produced more ppg than UGA against tougher defenses.
Now you’re claiming UGA was better per possession in SEC (while providing no links) which may be true considering UT played better defenses. Got some links?
Finally, you’ve shifted to saying that Heupel’s offense doesn’t work because it hurts the defense. Explain why UT’s defense was significantly better the past two years than this year? The only logical explanation is defensive injuries this year
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:21 pm to VOLhalla
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You claimed that looking at points per possession somehow takes “out the element of scheme”. Scheme/coaching plus talent equals total offensive output. Looking at points per possession doesn’t magically eliminate the element of scheme
There's no magic here. It just seems like magic to you because you don't understand the data. An offense that scores more points on average when it has the ball is a more efficient, aka better, offense. The statistics are a combination of Brian Fremeau's FBS data (look at his offensive efficiency ratings) and my data which is based solely on SEC vs SEC games. Either way, in the 2025 regular season Georgia's offense has been better than Tennessee at scoring points when they have the football. And, like I said Georgia's offense has had injuries too. Every team has injuries.
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But he did. He took lesser talent and produced the sixth best offensive output in the country. He also took that talent and produced more ppg than UGA against tougher defenses.
I haven't included this weekend's games yet, but Tennessee's offense wasn't 6th best in the nation. Fremeau's data has Tennessee's offense at #12, based on non-garbage drives and opponent adjusted. My opponent adjusted data only looks at SEC numbers and I have Tennessee at #4 in the SEC, behind UGA, Vandy, and Ole Miss (Vandy will move ahead of UGA after I include the latest numbers), ahead of Arkansas and TAMU. And Tennessee didn't face better defenses than Georgia, just the opposite.There's nothing bad about Tennessee's offensive numbers, they're just not as good as you believe them to be. You've chosen to look at statistics that don't give an accurate picture of offensive efficiency. And that's part of the reason fans often overestimate their team's prospects; the expectations were based on misleading data. (You may think I'm talking about Tennessee fans here, but Georgia fans do it too.)
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Finally, you’ve shifted to saying that Heupel’s offense doesn’t work because it hurts the defense.
That's not a "shift", it's a statement of how football works. You may have noticed in football when one team scores, the other team gets the ball back. More offensive possessions equals more defensive possessions. I'm saying that Tennessee's defensive numbers under Heupel have been negatively affected by some of the same factors that made the offensive numbers looked good; more possessions. Possessions, i.e. scoring opportunities, tend to equal out between a team and their opponents. Also, teams that run an atypical offensive scheme generally don't replicate more typical offenses as well in practice.
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Explain why UT’s defense was significantly better the past two years than this year? The only logical explanation is defensive injuries this year
Every team has injuries every year. Some years more, some less. That's not an analysis, it's an excuse. I don't have last year's data, but you played some very weak offenses with backup or first year quarterbacks. Your defense was likely to look worse in 2025 because the opposing offenses got better. Your defense may have actually been worse in 2025, but that doesn't mean that Heupel's offense has no effect on his defense; it does. That's why Tennessee has so many "injuries" on extra point attempts.
The point is that a "scheme' does not confer long lasting advantage. It only works until the other teams adapt. Teams are adapting to Heupel and will continue to do so. To the extent that Golesh runs a similar scheme, more SEC teams will face it every year.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 11:54 pm
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