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re: TCU never dropped after a loss

Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:52 am to
Posted by Nutriaitch
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:52 am to
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So why in the ever loving frick did Michigan State drop to 6 after losing to Bama in the semifinals in 2015? According to you, they should have been no worse than 4.


in the entire history of the playoffs so far, whoever lost the NC Game has been ranked #2.

its just a courtesy thing, i think.

not saying it's right, just that it happens.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:56 am to
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So why in the ever loving frick did Michigan State drop to 6 after losing to Bama in the semifinals in 2015? According to you, they should have been no worse than 4.


Reading is fundamental.
In a playoff, you win and advance.
Michigan State never won. They lost in the first round of the playoff.
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2016 Oklahoma lost in the semifinals 31-0 to Clemson and droppped to 6.

Win and advance. If you don't win, you don't advance.

You can go ahead and look at semifinal winners and make your case from there.
Because losing in the semifinals is not winning.
Posted by yimbo
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:57 am to
Who cares
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:59 am to
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You just keep skimming past that loss in their conference championship game that somehow kept them a three seed.
They were one of a handful of unbeaten teams going into the conference championship and they lost in OT by a FG to the #10 team. It's hard to punish them for that by dropping them out of the top 4 and replacing them with a team that either lost 2 games and/or didn't even play in their conference championship.

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They lose two out of their last three one a beatdown of epic proportions and end up at 2 which cannot be defended.
"two out of their last three" when talking about a conference championship and two playoff games is a bit misleading. It's not like they closed out the regular season losing 2 of 3. They lost a really close game in the conference championship and got beaten handily by the clear #1 team in the nation in the national championship after beating #2 Michigan.

There's a reason why they were included in the playoffs and remained at #3 during that selection process. They were one of two teams that only had one loss (the other being OSU), and of those two, they were the only one who played in a conference championship. It's always tough to penalize a loss (a close one at that) in a championship and reward a team sitting at home unless the result is a blowout. Should OSU--who had an embarrassing loss against Michigan at home to close out the regular season--have been ranked higher than TCU, whose one loss came in the conference championship and was a close loss in overtime?

And then there's the final ranking. TCU was #3 going in to the playoffs and then beat #2 Michigan. Should Michigan have been ranked higher than TCU even though they lost to TCU in the semis?

I think some folks are seeing the natty as something more than it was: an anomaly for TCU. UGA played a nearly perfect game, and with its loaded roster, they would have beaten the brakes off of anyone that day. TCU was just in the unfortunate position of being on the receiving end that day as a reward for beating Michigan.
Posted by r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:03 am to
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Wtf?? I'd put Ohio State ahead of TCU. Maybe even Michigan ahead of them...


I agree. Even Bama could have finished ahead though that doesn’t mean I believe they should’ve made it. Lazy polling.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:06 am to
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So why in the ever loving frick did Michigan State drop to 6 after losing to Bama in the semifinals in 2015? According to you, they should have been no worse than 4.


Reading is fundamental.
In a playoff, you win and advance.
Michigan State never won. They lost in the first round of the playoff.
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2016 Oklahoma lost in the semifinals 31-0 to Clemson and droppped to 6.

Win and advance. If you don't win, you don't advance.

You can go ahead and look at semifinal winners and make your case from there.
Because losing in the semifinals is not winning.


Thanks for answering my question. You really are this fricking stupid. We aren't talking about "not winning, not advancing." We're talking about losing and dropping. Michigan State and Ohio State got their asses whipped in the playoffs and dropped out of the final four. TCU got their asses whipped even worse and should have suffered the same fate. The fact that you can't grasp this simple concept proves that you're hopelessly stupid when it comes to college football.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7524 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:21 am to
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The fact that you can't grasp this simple concept proves that you're hopelessly stupid when it comes to college football.



the fact that you can't grasp that the AP has always ranked the teams that won a playoff game above the teams that did not win a playoff game shows that you are clueless about how the system works.

Posted by captainFid
Vestavia, AL
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:35 am to
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in the entire history of the playoffs so far, whoever lost the NC Game has been ranked #2.

its just a courtesy thing, i think.

not saying it's right, just that it happens.



Yep. And to all of my Bama brothers, this is how it's been during the playoffs. They stay in the top 4 almost always. The order only changes.

It is highly political and has taken much of the joy of College football from this fan.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:47 am to
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They should have dropped after losing the Big-12 CG, but didn't. Even if they stayed in the CFP, they should have dropped to #4 and had to play Georgia in the 1st round. Hindsight shows that would have been a more logical result.


The committee was never going to have two teams from the same conference play in the semifinals.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:48 am to
As a LSU fan, I apologize.

Things may have been different if LSU doesn’t lose to A$M
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 10:49 am
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:51 am to
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But there are no politics/regionalism that is at play in the committee.

Also, there is no pressure to legitimize the final rankings of the committee. Nope, none at all.


Posted by captainFid
Vestavia, AL
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:51 am to
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The committee was never going to have two teams from the same conference play in the semifinals.


They would have earned respect having done so. What they have done, is sold out; kicked the can (and problem) down the road hoping it is solved with the 12 team expansion.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7524 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:51 am to
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It is highly political and has taken much of the joy of College football from this fan.



don't know if it's political.

they made it farther than all but 1 team in the country and are ranked as such.

teams that play in the Championship aren't penalized for playing in an additional game compared to everyone else.

but teams that lose in the first round are treated the same as other bowl teams because they haven't played an extra round.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:58 am to
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Thanks for answering my question. You really are this fricking stupid. We aren't talking about "not winning, not advancing." We're talking about losing and dropping.

Lol

They won a playoff game.

How many teams did that this season?

You literally don't know what a playoff is.
Every sport has them. This should not be difficult to absorb. The basic concept of "win and advance".
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The fact that you can't grasp this simple concept proves that you're hopelessly stupid when it comes to college football.

Friend. This is not the BCS formula.

If you miss the BCS or pre-BCS era, just admit it to your friends publicly.
Otherwise, I suggest that you get up to speed with the College Football Playoff. This isn't your daddy's college football any longer. You obviously have been asleep at the wheel for the past 9 seasons. And it is only going to get more uncomfortable for those who still live in the BCS era.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:03 am to
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The committee was never going to have two teams from the same conference play in the semifinals.

It isn't a good look to advance a team sitting at home on conference championship Saturday over a team who actually played the game. Even after a loss.
Posted by captainFid
Vestavia, AL
Member since Dec 2014
4739 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:32 am to
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It isn't a good look to advance a team sitting at home on conference championship Saturday over a team who actually played the game. Even after a loss.




OK, now that you wrote it... please re-read what you just wrote and explain USC and tOSU.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7524 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:42 am to
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please re-read what you just wrote and explain USC and tOSU


you didn't ask me, but here is my guess (just a guess as to committee thinking, not my personal reasoning).

USC and tOSU had the same number of regular season losses where TCU needed to play an extra game to have the same number of losses as tOSU?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:54 am to
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OK, now that you wrote it... please re-read what you just wrote and explain USC and tOSU.

Are we comparing a 1 loss team to a 1 loss team?
Or a 2 loss team to a 1 loss team?

I understand your objection to the statement.
I don't understand the practicality of your point.
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
11371 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:59 am to
The BCS was far superior.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64650 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:01 pm to
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I'm old enough and smart enough to know when I am watching a playoff.

Then why did Oklahoma drop from 4 to 7 in 2019 after a 35 point loss? Using that logic, they should have remained at 4
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