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re: Targeting rule needs to be changed

Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by Bosethus68
We Call It Dat Boot
Member since May 2011
5201 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

Y’all weren’t saying that when we bodied your QB.


Then he Bodied your entire defense so...
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3706 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:34 pm to
There have been some absolute shitty calls this year....

But if you lead with your helmet, I have no sympathy for your ejection.

It is a bit of a double standard that you can do so if you are running the ball though...
Posted by Haytigers
Member since Aug 2015
394 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:38 pm to
Wow. Must have been a long night or a never ending night for you to come in so late. Lol. Geaux Tigers
Posted by bamaboy87
Member since Jan 2009
15180 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:41 pm to
quote:


Proposed by AAC officiating coordinator Terry McCauley.

There would be Flagrant 1 and Flagrant 2 targeting penalties. A Flagrant 1 penalty, as determined by replay, would be for a less egregious and perhaps unintentional high hit. The penalty would be 15 yards and the player would remain in the game unless it’s his second targeting infraction, which would result in an ejection. In other words, Flagrant 1 would give a player the benefit of the doubt. Flagrant 2 would be the current penalty of automatic ejection but only for clear targeting plays.


On one hand, that would be better. On the other hand, I dont like the idea of 2 incidentals getting them ejected. Accidents happen. Sometimes it's out of the players control. They're going in for what would be a clean hit and the offensive player falls just right for it to end up as helmet to helmet. That shouldn't even draw a flag in my opinion.

I'm of the opinion that the penalty and ejection should only be for obvious intentional targeting. Or if it wasn't purely a circumstantial helmet to helmet hit. Meaning, it may not have been intentional targeting, but the offensive player didnt move/fall and the defensive player still hit them directly helmet to helmet.

The biggest issue with the targeting flag, and an issue that will almost always be present, is that it's an opinion flag.
Posted by redbean5
Member since Jan 2008
2285 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:41 pm to
The rule is fine as written for the most part. The ejection part is to harsh. It would be better for a review committee to look at the targeting the day after the game and then determine if it was egregious. If it was then suspend the guy for a full game. If it’s not them let them play.
We don’t need a flagrant 1 or 2 penalty.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
86832 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

Terrible call, and yall got hosed on a couple of others.



They also only reviewed it for 5 seconds. The announcers made sure to point that out.
Posted by viceman
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2016
30688 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:44 pm to
won't matter, at the end of the day it will be the refs determining it, and people will still bitch and i guess you can save a first half suspension for next week by a week review, but then again is one ref actually willing to overturn another ref in a week long decision with the media all up in his face, I bet it would be rarely.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 3:46 pm
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
33154 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:51 pm to
Dude, Delpit wasn't aiming for knees to end Bama player careers.

That was Mizzou. You need to get your Tiger teams straight.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

LSU defendingvan obvious targeting.....
Let's get something straight about Delpit.


You missed the point of my thread. it wasn't about Delpit or LSU.

Regardless, it's rich coming from a Bama fan. I could think of at least three instances of no calls vs Bama for Targeting in obvious situations and, further I can think of instances where Bama players clearly had malicious intent so GFYWA2B4
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:14 pm to
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Y’all weren’t saying that when we bodied your QB.



That hit wasn't targeting and it was legal. However, Burrow was defenseless and the UCF player surely had malicious intent. Maybe unnecessary roughing like that chicken shite call y'all got when y'all were back up to your goal.
Regardless, your other player showed his arse with the taunting over an injured player. Enjoy your mickey league championship asshat.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

The rule is fine as written for the most part.


Clearly it's not. It's not enforced uniformly. Plus, as another poster stated, sometime the momentum of the ball carrier carries them into a position where the helmet to helmet contact could not be avoided.
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
Member since Oct 2009
3907 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:21 pm to
Agree with your post, but safety is an issue and concern with all above the shoulders contact.

Penalize 15 yards, and review for flagrant/intent with potential to eject on first offense. Same as now.

Auto Eject on second occurrence in same game, regardless of severity.

After two different ejections are enforced, increase suspension to an entire game for the 3rd and subsequent offenses.

I know the statistics are available, but I haven't seen a list of "headhunters" floating around the webs.

I'd be interested if some assailants are more prolific than others.

While they are at it, outlaw the runner grasping the facemask of the defender.
Posted by Jacknola
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
4366 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

Delpit put his facemask right into the guys numbers on his chest. That's textbook perfect tackling technique.

No it isn't "textbook" by todays rules or standards, and no it isn't taught that way anymore by coaches concerned with players getting kicked out. You my friend need a refresher on the modern game. Leading with the helmet or facemask is no longer the way it is supposed to be done BY THE DAM RULES.

Let's all understand exactly what this is all about. THIS WHOLE LINE IS JUST ANOTHER LSU WHINE ABOUT REFS and how they cheat LSU and call bad stuff on them when they are all perfectly innocent and don't call stuff on the other team. This is amazing.. LSU players get called for fouls and now the entirety NCAA football needs to change the rules.

Make no mistake... if the rule was changed and an LUSer player was subsequently targeted, the LUSers would be on here demanding a rule change. It is what they do... it is always the refs against LSU. It is the most epic whine on this board...

LSU fan win or lose: "refs called this, refs didn't call that, refs coulda-woulda-shouda called those, Alabama was holding, cheat, SEC office in Birmingham, Steve Shaw, REC, Bama, refs let the other team play too rough, refs didn't let our team play football just touch football, Ritter, rules, FBI."

God it gets old...
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 5:00 pm
Posted by NorthTiger
Upper 40
Member since Jan 2004
3865 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

But if you lead with your helmet, I have no sympathy for your ejection.


Serious question. Are you saying a player should never lead with their helmet? That leaves leading with your shoulder or arm tackling. I get Don’t lead with your helmet on helmet to helmet contact. I just can’t magine how to teach tackling if you say “never lead with your helmet”, period
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 5:40 pm
Posted by Mad_Mardigan
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
1945 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

Y’all weren’t saying that when we bodied your QB.


You play for the team?
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
34058 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:03 pm to
At the bare minimum the rule should account for changes in the position of the player being tackled once contact is imminent, such that the wrongful contact is unavoidable by the tackling player, that is, the player’s contact trajectory was legal until the position of the other player changed to make the resulting hit illegal.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:32 pm to
quote:

But if you lead with your helmet


Some guys are leading with the helmet. They are going in with a shoulder but the momentum of the ball carrier etc and possibly other defenders changes the angle or point of contact.

Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29209 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

Targeting rule needs to be changed
give the penalty yards, use the whole week to review and make a call before the first quarter of the next game.



this is close to right. the heat of the moment vs malicious intent are very different. we watch a collision sport and love it for that reason. the spirit of the game IS violence, but not shittiness.

also, it takes away the spotlight from the player in a bad post-decision moment and allows himself a time to reflect on his own processes.

i get it, safety isn't bad. instant / no-tolerance rules seem effective. but, really... are they? HAVE we seen a decrease in malicious intent?
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
9615 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:16 pm to
I posted this on the Score Board regarding why the targeting rule will not be changed, but I’ll post it again here:

The targeting rule does not exist for player safety, even though it does in theory help to promote it. The targeting rule does not exist to “force players to use correct tackling technique,” even though it supposedly does that. The targeting rule is clearly not in line with other penalties in terms of severity, but that doesn’t matter. The targeting rule does promote tacklers to aim low and therefore potentially cause more knee injuries, but that doesn’t matter either.

The targeting rule exists for the NCAA to use in its defense in a hypothetical future lawsuit from former players over CTE. It will not be changed because of that reason.
Posted by Giant Leaf
On Leaf
Member since Nov 2015
4229 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:20 pm to
Until boxing and MMA are banned the targeting rule doesnt need to be changed but removed completely with legislation banning future lawsuits for known risk
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