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Targeting rule needs to be changed

Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:41 pm
Fine, have a 15 yard penalty but the ejection should be for something egregious with intent.
Too many times the defensive player is in good position for a normal hit but the offensive player moves or is moved into the hit. When opposing players are still in motion a lot can happen between the initiation and conclusion of their relative positions. I've seen it on multiple occasions. The officials have to be given more direction and stricter criteria are needed.

It's like the old "spearing" rule. It was obvious when a player was stationary and a defender nailed him with a launch etc.
Posted by mizslu314
Dirty STL
Member since Sep 2013
15972 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:43 pm to
give the penalty yards, use the whole week to review and make a call before the first quarter of the next game.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95130 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:44 pm to
The biggest issue is the officials have no consistency or idea on what the frick is targeting


Explain to me how the hit on Fromm is targeting, but the hit on burrow is not?

Posted by AgGrad
Member since Mar 2016
24 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:45 pm to
Totally agree. To me, it's clear when a hit is excessive. I suspect that the dilemma will be how to codify that into an ostensibly objective rule.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
11920 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:54 pm to
One issue that’s not addressed with targeting is offensive players leading with their heads. Watch how many times a running back drops his shoulder and leads with the crown of his helmet.
Posted by mckibaj
Member since Nov 2010
7728 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:54 pm to
SBNation had a good take on this. LINK

quote:


Proposed by AAC officiating coordinator Terry McCauley.

There would be Flagrant 1 and Flagrant 2 targeting penalties. A Flagrant 1 penalty, as determined by replay, would be for a less egregious and perhaps unintentional high hit. The penalty would be 15 yards and the player would remain in the game unless it’s his second targeting infraction, which would result in an ejection. In other words, Flagrant 1 would give a player the benefit of the doubt. Flagrant 2 would be the current penalty of automatic ejection but only for clear targeting plays.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 1:57 pm
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10321 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:04 pm to
The purpose of the rule is to legislate safety into the game which is fine. But many players are being penalized for circumstance and not intent. The rule needs to be tweaked to make allowances for unavoidable circumstances. By the same token, it should be broadened to cover egregious intent to cause injury on plays now considered "legal' hits. The officials don't need more direction and stricter criteria. They need less of that and more discretion with the use of instant replay.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6479 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

15 yard penalty but the ejection should be for something egregious with intent.


That's seems reasonable. I know the "egregious with intent" is subjective and will piss off fans, but the call is already subjective and pisses off fans. We need to keep the penatly but as you note, it's not always intended.
Posted by Box Geauxrilla
Member since Jun 2013
19118 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:10 pm to
Here's a video of the Delpit targeting call. Pretty unavoidable IMO unless he doesnt attempt a tackle.

LINK
Posted by Jacknola
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
4366 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:25 pm to
LSU defendingvan obvious targeting that would send them into conniptions had it been a play against one of their players.

Let's get something straight about Delpit. He got away with a pretty obvious targeting against A&M and he was obviously trying to end Tua’s career with that helmet aimed at his knee long after the whistle had blown. “Didn’t hear the whistle?” ...my arse...everyone else did and of course no one tries to open field sack a QB aiming at his knees.

It is possible that officials review film too.. and were waiting for Delpit to pull a dirty again. The number of illegal hits by hin should raise the question of his intent and overall play. He didnt have to hit with his helmet in any of those plays.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19514 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Watch how many times a running back drops his shoulder and leads with the crown of his helmet.


How many times does a RB or defensive player lower his head so he can hit with his shoulders, and inadvertently hits with the helmet? Not a fair penalty, and it penalizes hard hits because they look violent. Hard hitting shouldn’t be penalized.

The targeting rule is a joke and Delpit was right when he tweeted that it isn’t football anymore. It’s a contact sport and the players are being made hesitant to make contact.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Mad_Mardigan
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
1925 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

Let's get something straight about Delpit. He got away with a pretty obvious targeting against A&M and he was obviously trying to end Tua’s career with that helmet aimed at his knee long after the whistle had blown. “Didn’t hear the whistle?” ...my arse...everyone else did and of course no one tries to open field sack a QB aiming at his knees.



Links for these hits? I'm being serious I can't find them.

ETA: Found the hit on Tua but the video doesn't have sound so I can't hear the whistle. Pretty bold to say that he was intentionally trying to end his career when he most certainly could have but hit him at the waist. What do you want him to do? Hit him in the head or actually in the knee? Also, if it was so late then he and Divinity both would have been tagged with a personal foul. Aaaaaaanddddd, if the whistle was so obvious then why did the Bama o-line keep playing?
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Haytigers
Member since Aug 2015
325 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:56 pm to
Jack off my friend. Sounds like you are quoting the pee wee rules you played with in third grade. Careful on you end, this could end in a bad call as well. And go
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:56 pm to


You're such a whiney pussy.
Posted by GeauxWarTigers
Auburn
Member since Oct 2010
18046 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:16 pm to
Need to do like the NBA with Flagrant 1/2. Have a lesser one where you don't get ejected unless you pick up a 2nd and a more severe one that is immediate ejection for the more egregious hits.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56263 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:23 pm to
Ooh great more rule flagrant 1 or 2. Let’s take another 10 minutes and tack on to games for constant reviews.

How about something refs, blow your goddamn whistle. They let plays carry on long after the offensive player is effectively down. We may eliminate some of the trash talking non sense too.

Then go back to leading w the crown. As it stands now a player goes face mask to face mask is penalized.

But seriously refs, blow the gd whistle and control the game don’t eject players and change the game



Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85798 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

By the same token, it should be broadened to cover egregious intent to cause injury on plays now considered "legal' hits.


I agree. There should be a week to review all hits, pokes, jabs, fingerings, and slams by Alabama defenders.

Whether or not it is determined intent to injure is there suspend them for the LSU game but no other.

Posted by MeatPants
Member since Nov 2015
8853 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:28 pm to
Kicking the kid out sucks That just seems so harsh


But seriously wtf was that freshman kid doing on Fromm slide. My god what an idiot
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
6925 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

Here's a video of the Delpit targeting call. Pretty unavoidable IMO unless he doesnt attempt a tackle


Delpit put his facemask right into the guys numbers on his chest. That's textbook perfect tackling technique.

The recievers momentum caused his own helmet to slap into the top of Delpit's helmet.

Terrible call, and yall got hosed on a couple of others.
Posted by SadUCFKnight
Member since Jun 2008
2620 posts
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:31 pm to
Y’all weren’t saying that when we bodied your QB.
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