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re: Stetson vs Bryce
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
That's why I see a top 10 QB pick (I could be wrong).
Stetson has improved with each season.
2020, he was carving up zone coverages. Most every pass was over the middle (and we struggled when DL put their hands up to bat down those slants and shallow crossers).
2021, he was beating man coverage (very tebowish... all highlights had a defender in trail and Stetson layered it to green grass). He struggled against tight zone in 2021.
2022, he is carving up tight zone coverages but struggling a little in man (reflecting in all of the trips bunch sets and extension of the run game throws to stay ahead of the chains). We just don't have the horses like we did last season to bust up man coverage like 2021.
Monken is the real MVP. But this is not an easy offense for a QB to run. We are witnessing year 3 in the system with a QB who is willing to put in the work.
Stetson has improved with each season.
2020, he was carving up zone coverages. Most every pass was over the middle (and we struggled when DL put their hands up to bat down those slants and shallow crossers).
2021, he was beating man coverage (very tebowish... all highlights had a defender in trail and Stetson layered it to green grass). He struggled against tight zone in 2021.
2022, he is carving up tight zone coverages but struggling a little in man (reflecting in all of the trips bunch sets and extension of the run game throws to stay ahead of the chains). We just don't have the horses like we did last season to bust up man coverage like 2021.
Monken is the real MVP. But this is not an easy offense for a QB to run. We are witnessing year 3 in the system with a QB who is willing to put in the work.
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:46 pm to meansonny
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But Stetson can do everything Bryce can do (just not as well).
I mean, you could say that about a lot of people.
I can do everything Bryce does, just NOT AS WELL.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:46 pm to GoatBurrow
Bryce should be the unanimous Heisman winner this year. He deserves it even more than last year (when I would have had no qualms with J. Williams winning it). Alabama would be 6-6 without him.
Stet is a very good college QB who has had an incredible career who probably won't turn into anything in the NFL. I'm not sure why people are always looking to downplay what he's done.
Stet is a very good college QB who has had an incredible career who probably won't turn into anything in the NFL. I'm not sure why people are always looking to downplay what he's done.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:49 pm to meansonny
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Monken is the real MVP. But this is not an easy offense for a QB to run. We are witnessing year 3 in the system with a QB who is willing to put in the work.
Agree - Monken has a great system and is a great play caller, but it's definitely a system with a lot going on. Stetson makes it look seamless, which is one of those things that nobody recognizes but is very significant.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Stetson makes it look seamless, which is one of those things that nobody recognizes but is very significant.
This spring was his first as the starting QB in any capacity. He actually got to take reps with the 1s and it shows.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:54 pm to red sox fan 13
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Bryce is a game changer who single-handedly won Alabama a couple games this year and he came pretty close to pulling it off against UT and LSU. Georgia also probably has more talent than Bama at this point.
Bama has better talent (based on recruiting rankings). UGA's just done a better job of hitting with their recruiting evaluations.
And Stetson has won games for UGA this year... he's just done it early so late game heroics weren't needed. The one game they were needed for UGA... he delivered (Mizzou).
The reason he didn't have to deliver late against LSU is he led UGA to 35 first half points vs 6 for Young. He passed for 4 of those 5 TD's.
The only reason Young is going to be drafted high and Bennett won't is simply arm strength. Bennett is just as mobile, they're both short, Bennett is just as accurate (slightly more so this year, slightly less last year), both avoid pressure and get rid of the ball to avoid sacks very well... they're very similar in most other ways. Young just has a much stronger arm... and is 3.5 years younger which probably factors in as well.
That's the difference between first round grade and 5th-UDFA grade.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:55 pm to meansonny
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But Stetson can do everything Bryce can do (just not as well).
This is true in the same way that a hit 'n miss engine can do the same thing as a jet engine can do.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree - Monken has a great system and is a great play caller, but it's definitely a system with a lot going on. Stetson makes it look seamless, which is one of those things that nobody recognizes but is very significant.
You are right about Stetson running the offense seamlessly, but another thing to note is that it seems like everyone in their offense runs it seamlessly which makes Stetson's job so much easier. It seems like they have multiple players wide open every play, and they hardly ever have any missed blocks, so there is usually a lane for the RB to run through. Their WR blocking is great. They are extremely well coached. Hard contrast to what BoB has going.
Also, it is so much easier to focus on your assignments and the playcalls when your defense allows hardly any touchdowns. Their backs are rarely against the wall, hardly ever any mental pressure on the offense. Throw a pick, or fumble? Who cares, defense isn't going to allow more than a field goal on 90% of the drives.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:56 pm to skrayper
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I can do everything Bryce does, just NOT AS WELL
Stetson wasn't hitting deep shots in 2020. It was said (incorrectly) that he lacked armstrength. He wasn't good at it. Probably a timing thing since he was 4th string all through camp and the QB in game 1 to save us from an embarrassing loss to Arkansas.
Stetson wasn't throwing tight horizontal windows in 2021. I said he can't do it because I didn't see him put it in a tight spot where only his receiver could catch it.
Sure enough in game 3 this year, he is hitting digs, crossers, and slants against drop 8. Like he had been doing it all along.
Whatever complaint has been made about Stetson in the past (other than gunslinger), he has shown an NFL level throw.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:56 pm to meansonny
Bryce will not survive the NFL pass rush
Put pressure on Bryce and he really is pretty average
Put pressure on Bryce and he really is pretty average
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:56 pm to Che Boludo
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If BoB coached at UGA, no one would know Stetson's name.
Bryce is a special talent that was unfortunately wasted.
10 win seasons are a waste for Bama fans now?
My Bama fan brother is like this, as I've said before. Once it was determined that Bama wouldn't be making the playoffs a few weeks ago, he quit watching.
Also, I know what you really mean. I'm just joking around about Bama fans' expectations and lack of actual caring about the team when they don't make it to the playoffs.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:57 pm to red sox fan 13
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Georgia has tried to replace Stetson a few times
Quit lying
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:57 pm to nicholastiger
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Bryce will not survive the NFL pass rush
Put pressure on Bryce and he really is pretty average
If you hit every QB, they will struggle.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:58 pm to nicholastiger
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Put pressure on Bryce and he really is pretty average
what? Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:01 pm to meansonny
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this is not an easy offense for a QB to run
It's not easy to hand the ball off to a NFL running back in MacIntosh and throw it to an NFL stud TE in Bowers?
Bruh, He's a room temperature IQ game mngr. Any starting qb in the country goes undefeated at UGA with that defense, that schedule, and those skill players. Just enjoy UGA's run and stop trying to make it seem like it takes Joe Montana to run that high school offense.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:05 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
Oh look kids, a window licking retard.
Yes, you deserve to be called that if you say Todd Monken runs a high school offense. That is probably one of the dumber takes I've seen on this site recently, which is saying a lot.
Yes, you deserve to be called that if you say Todd Monken runs a high school offense. That is probably one of the dumber takes I've seen on this site recently, which is saying a lot.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:06 pm to Funky Tide 8
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You are right about Stetson running the offense seamlessly, but another thing to note is that it seems like everyone in their offense runs it seamlessly which makes Stetson's job so much easier. It seems like they have multiple players wide open every play, and they hardly ever have any missed blocks, so there is usually a lane for the RB to run through. Their WR blocking is great. They are extremely well coached. Hard contrast to what BoB has going.
We had more open guys in 2021 against man coverage. That absolutely is not the case this year. Our only solution is bunch (stupid to play man against bunch). Stetson has actually been surgical with his placement this year. The LSU game was a good example (when he wasn't late on the throw).
Run blocking has been an adventure. We usually find something that works. We were zone heavy against LSU. Some occasional slants broke us. When zone doesn't work (mizzou), we have sometimes been able to flip the switch and go counter very successfully. A lot of this is on Stetson to make sure we have the right surfaces to hit (we flip the TE bunch a lot presnap).
I don't think the run blocking is as clean as your post makes it to be. But we usually find a surface that we can queue up. We are extremely multiple in the run game (and when that fails, there are always screens and throws behind the LOS).
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Also, it is so much easier to focus on your assignments and the playcalls when your defense allows hardly any touchdowns. Their backs are rarely against the wall, hardly ever any mental pressure on the offense. Throw a pick, or fumble? Who cares, defense isn't going to allow more than a field goal on 90% of the drives.
We've been very complimentary. I actually think the offense helps the defense more than the other way around (lots of failed 4th down attempts have kept field goal attempts off the board. Quicker decisions to become 1 dimensional for a few teams after getting down and having early struggles in the run).
But yes. The offense benefits as well.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:11 pm to meansonny
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Stetson wasn't hitting deep shots in 2020. It was said (incorrectly) that he lacked armstrength.
He does lack arm strength.
He doesn't have a weak arm. It's mostly described as "adequate". Young on the flip side has a great arm in terms of strength.
It's why Bennett's deep passes have more air under them while Young throws them more on a line (like Stafford did when he was at UGA).
Bennett doesn't have a weak arm. For example he throws with more on the ball than Chad Pennington did. He's probably got only slightly less than Drew Brees had later in his career in terms of arm strength. But he doesn't have a strong arm either. And when you're short (shorter than Brees) and lack elite arm strength, you aren't going to be an early round pick. YOu need one or the other.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:13 pm to VADawg
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Todd Monken runs a high school offense
Please explain to me the intricacies of his exotic offense of handing the ball off to a stud RB behind stud linemen and throwing the ball to stud TE with the occasional exquisite end around to deceptively fast white receiver.
You want exotic offense, look at Sark or Kiffin. Are they as successful as UGA? NO. But it isn't because Todd fricking Monken could out scheme them even with a gun to his head.
Just stop with the bullshite. UGA lines up with the best talent and mauls people. It's classic bullyball. There is no finesse. And it works. Enjoy it. But stop with the Todd Monken is a genius bullshite.
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Oh look kids, a window licking retard.
Coming from someone that probably voted for Warnock.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:14 pm to GoatBurrow
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doesn’t think Stetson Bennet will amount to anything in the league
Me neither.
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