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re: State fans, is Leach running his usual offense?

Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:36 pm to
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If leach can coach how many pac 12 titles did he win? He averaged 6 to 7 loses in his time at Washington state


Don't go down that road.
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
51150 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:39 pm to
The correct answer was zero
Posted by PanhandleDawg
Navarre Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:42 pm to
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Id say LSU isnt the best team to begin the experiment on


This LSU squad isn't run by Joe Burrow & Joe Brady. LSU should just hope to keep the score within 7 points either way against MSU.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:42 pm to
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Leach can flat out coach. So, with MSU having a very good RB I expect him to run the ball more than a lot of people think he will.


Absolutely nothing in his career supports that theory. He’s going to do what he’s always done and that is throw the ball. The RBs will continue to get the bulk of their touches from passes in his system same as always.
Posted by PorkDawg
Texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:43 pm to
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If leach can coach how many pac 12 titles did he win? He averaged 6 to 7 loses in his time at Washington state


Do we really need to spell out for you how difficult it is to do what he did at Washington State? And yes, even harder than Texas Tech and Mississippi State.
Posted by peepingcrxxms
Sumrall, MS
Member since Aug 2016
848 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:45 pm to
Leach took over the worst P5 program in the country in a spot with zero talent anywhere around for him to pick from. After he got his guys in there he averaged about 8 wins a year, and had an 11 win year. Anyone that thinks he can’t coach is a fricking idiot. Just because he hasn’t coached at programs that recruit themselves doesn’t mean he isn’t a good coach. O at Washington State would look like O at Ole Miss. Success as a football coach is relative to where you’re coaching. How fricking stupid do you have to be to follow college football and not know that? Are you 16?
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 12:51 pm
Posted by megiddo
Member since May 2020
518 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:48 pm to
In the 5 years before Leach arrived at Wazzu they won 14 games. In Leach's first 5 years at Wazzu they won 29 games. In the following 3 years after that they won 26 games.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53473 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 1:00 pm to
Which version of his system?


When he has a back, he throws it less. I looked up Hill last year. I believe he ran an average of 16 attempts per game. Maybe it was 18.

Under Leach, he will rush it about 8-10 times more per game.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66578 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 1:30 pm to
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When he has a back, he throws it less. I looked up Hill last year. I believe he ran an average of 16 attempts per game. Maybe it was 18.

Under Leach, he will rush it about 8-10 times more per game.


My he most any back under Leach has ever averaged per game was 12.9 carries.

He barely averages 25 carries per game as a team in run heavy years and think he’s averaged 27 twice between TTech and WSU.

Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 1:45 pm to
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quote:
is Leach running his usual offense

Yes, that's why we hired him.
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There is a reason you typically dont ever see air raid offense in the SEC.

We'll give it a few years and see if it is successful. I am cautiously optimistic. It's an interesting experiment to say the least.


Hells bells and cheese curls Loretta it wasn't successful in the frigging pac 12 where they dont even have D in the alphabet...dude has a 60% winning record. In a 12 game regular season that means 7 and 5 most years, 8 1nd 4 some and 6-6 some. Given that at least 2 of those 12 games will most often be rent a wins that ain't hard to do.
Posted by RoscoeHarper
Edmond, OK
Member since Aug 2011
4539 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 1:55 pm to
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Hells bells and cheese curls Loretta it wasn't successful in the frigging pac 12 where they dont even have D in the alphabet


The guy is the best coach in history at two different schools. Also, Bill Snyder sux cuz he only won 2 Big 12 Championships in 25 years.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30243 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 1:55 pm to
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There is a reason you typically dont ever see air raid offense in the SEC.
You watched LSU/Burrow put a high flying offense on the field last year, right? LSU ran an air raid type offense to perfection.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53473 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:06 pm to
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My he most any back under Leach has ever averaged per game was 12.9 carries.



Nope!

2000 25.4 rushes per game
2001 23.7 rushes per game
2002 27.5 rushes per game
2003 23.7 rushes per game
2004 24.4 rushes per game
2005 25.7 rushes per game
2006 16.9 rushes per game
2007 18.9 rushes per game
2008 24.4 rushes per game
2009 24.5 rushes per game

I stopped there. I think that proves the point well enough.

So my 8-10 more than Hill had last year per game

Posted by bstew3006
318
Member since Dec 2007
12576 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:07 pm to
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You watched LSU/Burrow put a high flying offense on the field last year, right? LSU ran an air raid type offense to perfection.



2019
LSU 15 games
2nd in passing - 567 pass attempts
60th in rushing - 513 Rush attempts

WSU 13 games
1st In passing - 710 pass attempts
129th in rushing - 210 Rush attempts

Leach runs a completely different “air raid”
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4701 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:10 pm to
That level of offensive skill players on the LSU roster wasn't out of the norm. Tigers been putting out that same quality for decades.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52750 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:11 pm to
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LSU ran 90% of Leach's Air Raid last year.



This isn't true
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52750 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

You watched LSU/Burrow put a high flying offense on the field last year, right? LSU ran an air raid type offense to perfection


Uh, no
Posted by Jamey21
Katy, Texas
Member since Jul 2019
749 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:12 pm to
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We saw Leach back in the Big 12...he can score on anybody. In 2016 he hung 59 points on #6 Oklahoma..and got beat by a late touchdown. If a team has any weakness in the LB/DB area..it will be a long afternoon for someone. People in the SEC, especially LSU, aren’t paying attention. Leach has a veteran transfer QB with a career 62.5% passing completion rate. Leach’s air raid offense doesn’t require NFL quality receivers, just an accurate QB. Just like LSU last year with Burrow’s.



Can score on anybody based on scoring against a Weak defensive Oklahoma 2016 team. :rotflmao:
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66578 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:13 pm to
Yup

That’s the team’s total rushes, and includes Sacks I’m pretty sure.

For instance

Ricky Williams (different Ricky Williams) lead TTech with 127 rushes in 2000 in 12 games.

That’s is 10.6 rushes a game

So maybe if every single attempt went to kill including all the scrambles that count as QB rushes he may average 25 carries a game.

But it’s unlikely.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15110 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:21 pm to
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2008 24.4 rushes per game 2009 24.5 rushes per game I stopped there. I think that proves the point well enough.


2008 Leading rusher Woods avg 10.8 carries a game
2009 Leading rusher Batch avg 12.9 carries a game

I stopped there. I think that proves the point well enough.

Leach may rush the ball 17-28 times a game but he isn't giving all the rushes to one guy

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