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re: Sporting News Coaches Ranking 1-133

Posted on 5/25/23 at 8:55 pm to
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52564 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 8:55 pm to
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Brian Kelly had Notre Dame playing way above their talent level, so they ended up in some bowls they had no business being in.


They also seem to be perpetually overrated just due to the Notre Dame brand.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:11 pm to
He lost to Oklahoma state.

Not every bowl loss is against saban.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52564 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:13 pm to
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He lost to Oklahoma state.

Not every bowl loss is against saban.


No he didn't.
Posted by DownOnWashington
Tulsa
Member since Jul 2022
184 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:18 pm to
How would Tennessee/Arkansas/Florida have been under Gundy if he would have taken those jobs?

Posted by Miznoz
St. Louis
Member since Dec 2018
2141 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:44 pm to
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1.Nick Saban
2.Kirby Smart
6. Brian Kelly
10. Josh Heupel
14. Jimbo Fisher
16. Mark Stoops
20. Lane Kiffin
28. Sam Pittman
(29 – Gus Malzahn )
32. Shane Beamer
38. Hugh Freeze
41. Steve Sarkisian
42. Brent Venerables
45. Billy Napier
47. Eli Drinkowitz
64. Clark Lea
71. Zach Arnet


1 and 2 are good but the rest of the list is straight up stupid
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52564 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:45 pm to
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1 and 2 are good but the rest of the list is straight up stupid





How would you fix it?
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21256 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:53 pm to
He would have done very well at all three places.

When Petrino got fired, I wanted Gundy because he knew how to win with what he had and didn't waste talent.

But Arkansas ended up with Bert and that was a huge mistake.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20388 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:39 am to
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quote:

He lost to Oklahoma state.

Not every bowl loss is against saban.



No he didn't.

No, he didn't, but even if he had- it's not like Notre Dame had talent that outclassed Okie State. They're not scrubs, not Vandy; but they also weren't at Ohio State levels.

And yet, he did coach them to a lot of regular season wins, such as at Oklahoma a few years back. Beat LSU in a bowl (or 2)... beat some other teams too. Played, and lost, to UGA a couple seasons in a row; and the second game, AT UGA, was more competitive. Beat (a weakened) Clemson in the regular season a couple years ago.

These were games they really should have been stomped, just by comparing the guys on the field. He made it close, and won some he shouldn't have.

That's with the Notre Dame recruits, figuratively one hand tied behind his back. He's at LSU now, which we can acknowledge CAN produce a whole different level of player. Let's see what he can do, when he fills the roster, and he doesn't have to figure how to keep it close against a superior team, but instead has the advantage in talent.

He isn't some young hot kid, he is experienced and has a successful system that overcomes a good bit. Like people have said, he's wanting to see what he can do with top-tier talent.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:11 am to
As much as it pains me you can objectively argue that Kirby is #1.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78610 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:13 am to
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14. Jimbo Fisher


Huh ?
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
5123 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:15 am to
Still riding his championship from FSU and being the first of Sabans assistants to beat the boss
Posted by Knowshon5Dolla
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2021
1379 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:18 am to
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We had to re-sod it


Awesome
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78610 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:22 am to
Ok. But how long does this last ? He’s objectively horrible as a coach. Especially with so many better guys behind him.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:24 am to
Does he get any credit for being one of the main reasons Anthony Richardson was drafted top 5?
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 8:25 am
Posted by 427Nova
Member since Sep 2022
1722 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:03 am to
Why? Who behind him has accomplished more? I’ll wait.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4193 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:05 am to
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Who would you put higher than him?

Looking at the options I don’t see a clear cut answer. I think 6 is right on for Kelly.


These things always are tough to quantify as it can be "better resume", "better expectations" or some combination of the two.

In terms of resume, Lincoln Riley, Sonny Dykes, Mack Brown and Jimbo Fisher have all easily accomplished more.

In terms of mid-term expectations (next 5 years), I would put guys like Dan Lanning, Josh Heupel, Kyle Whittingham and Luke Fickell ahead of him.

Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4193 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:09 am to
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Why? Who behind him has accomplished more? I’ll wait.


Seriously?

Mack Brown and Jimbo Fisher have won national championships.

Lincoln Riley has more conference championships and playoff appearances.

Sonny Dykes has won a playoff game.

All have accomplished more on the field than Kelly.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14151 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:11 am to
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How is Jimbo Fisher in the top 50?


Count how many head coaches on that list actually have a NC. It could easily be argued that he should be above Brian Kelly. Particularly after their last meeting.
Posted by NFLSU
Screwston, Texas
Member since Oct 2014
16655 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:14 am to
Yeahhh and then you could poll 50 athletic directors on if they would rather have Kelly or Jimbo leading their program and you would get 50 quick answers.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52564 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:18 am to
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Count how many head coaches on that list actually have a NC. It could easily be argued that he should be above Brian Kelly. Particularly after their last meeting.





Maybe to a casual
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