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re: Sporting News Coaches Ranking 1-133
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:23 am to Scoob
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:23 am to Scoob
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No, he didn't, but even if he had- it's not like Notre Dame had talent that outclassed Okie State.
It seems like people have been discounting ND's talent a bit more than reality shows in recent years.
You are correct that ND doesn't have Ohio State or Bama levels of talent... but they aren't Okie State level either.
According to the 247 talent Index, here's where ND was in talent levels on their roster the past few years.
2022- 10th
2021 - 12th
2020 - 8th
2019 - 14th
2018 - 10th
2017 - 10th
2016 - 10th
2015 (as far as it goes back) - 8th
ND has had pretty solid talent. It's not OkSU... they're in the 30's in talent most years. A comparable in terms of team talent would be Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma or Michigan.
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Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:25 am to TailbackU
Jimbo being that high is insane.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:28 am to DawginSC
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It seems like people have been discounting ND's talent a bit more than reality shows in recent years.
The overall talent was okay, they didn't have the skill position talent to compete with the upper echelon of college football though.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:29 am to NFLSU
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Yeahhh and then you could poll 50 athletic directors on if they would rather have Kelly or Jimbo leading their program and you would get 50 quick answers.
Again there are two ways to look at it:
1 - What have you done?
2 - What does it look like you'll do in the next 5 years or so?
All the guys with NC's (including Fisher and Mack Brown) have done more than Kelly. they're ahead of him on ranking by the first point.
But if you want to act like an AD and talk about future, there's another list of guys who would be above Kelly. They may be behind him on what they've done, but given their age and what they have shown so far, many would be ahead of him using the "AD Poll" you suggest. Guys like Kyle Whittingham, Luke Fickell, Josh Heupel, Lane Kiffin or Dan Lanning.
Kelly is a 61 year old coach with good but not outstanding accomplishments. He's not a top 8 bet on the future or top 8 on past accomplishments. He belongs somewhere around 10th in the rankings I think.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:30 am to turnpiketiger
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All time wins among active HC’s.
1. Nick Saban
2. Mack Brown
3. Brian Kelly
No offense, but all time wins is a bad way to determine a coaches worth for the current time. For instance, would you take Mack Brown over Brian Kelly? I wouldn't. Total wins have more to do with longevity than anything.
Fwiw, I would say somewhere around 5-10 is where he belongs and can't argue against #6.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:33 am to Smokeyone
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Huepel should be in the upper teens not 10. He’s only been a P5 head coach a couple of years and hasn’t really shown any tangible success. Improvement absolutely but not success
Tennessee was in a bad way when Huepel took over. I have no problem (right now) with him being 10-15) He needs to keep it up to sustain a high rating and to do that he needs to put together a defense. Time will tell, but right now he has UT headed in the right direction.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:35 am to NFLSU
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Which of those games was his team favored in…?
A lot of the media had him picked to beat Alabama. Besides, that is what separates a good coach and great coach. Winning a big time game nobody expected you to win.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:35 am to DawginSC
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DawginSC
I took the list as “top current coaches” so I’m only arguing on that point. Clearly BK doesn’t have a championship like Mack or the Jimbo the Clown so that point is moot.
Based on an elite program needing a coach, today, there are only 3 that I would consider taking before Brian Kelly.
(OP should edit title to match the article title : Ranking college football coaches 1-133 for 2023 season)
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:37 am to NFLSU
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Yeahhh and then you could poll 50 athletic directors on if they would rather have Kelly or Jimbo leading their program and you would get 50 quick answers.
Did someone poll 50 ADs? Or are you simply back in your make-believe world trying to make a point the hard way?
Kelly is no spring chicken and after many years he has done nothing in the playoffs with the Catholics. And so far, he has done nothing that would surpass Jimbo in football.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:37 am to DawgsLife
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A lot of the media had him picked to beat Alabama. Besides, that is what separates a good coach and great coach. Winning a big time game nobody expected you to win.
Lol stop it dude.
Alabama was a 20-point favorite.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:38 am to SidewalkTiger
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The overall talent was okay, they didn't have the skill position talent to compete with the upper echelon of college football though.
Or perhaps the talent was there and Kelly wasn't particularly good at developing it?
If you look at the 2021 roster for example, ND had plenty of highly rated skill players. They just were misses.
Again, ND's talent is similar to places like Florida, Auburn, Tennessee or Michigan. They're not one of the uber talented places like OSU or Bama, but they're still in the 8-15 range every season. If they're picking the wrong guys, that seems more like an issue of who the coach targets or how well they develop they players rather than the school being unable to attract talent.
Is LSU an easier sale for recruits? Of course. When things are run right at LSU they're a top 5 talent program, not a 8-15 range. But Notre Dame isn't at the talent level of a Kentucky, Oklahoma State or NC State like people want to suggest.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:40 am to bamameister
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And so far, he has done nothing that would surpass Jimbo in football.
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And so far, he has done nothing that would surpass Jimbo in football.
He won 10 games and the West in the first year of a rebuild.
Two things Jimbo hasn't been able to do in 5 years at A&M.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:41 am to bamameister
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Kelly is no spring chicken
How many titles has Saban played for since 61 years old..?
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And so far, he has done nothing that would surpass Jimbo in footbal
The title of the article reads : Ranking college football coaches 1-133 for 2023 season
Coach Brian Kelly being 1-0 vs Nick Saban and the SEC West has clearly ruffled feathers.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:42 am to DawginSC
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Or perhaps the talent was there and Kelly wasn't particularly good at developing it?
No doubt, that's always been my main question about Brian Kelly.
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But Notre Dame isn't at the talent level of a Kentucky, Oklahoma State or NC State like people want to suggest.
Who suggested that?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:46 am to SidewalkTiger
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He won 10 games and the West in the first year of a rebuild.
Just close your eyes then and try to forget those 3 SEC teams that hammered Kelly. One was Jimbo Fisher. You got blown out 3 times and you now want us to do the purple math. Where's your pride?
And yeah, NC matter. As Kelly is about to find out the hard way.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:49 am to bamameister
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Just close your eyes then and try to forget those 3 SEC teams that hammered Kelly. One was Jimbo Fisher. You got blown out 3 times and you now want us to do the purple math. Where's your pride?
So your stance is Jimbo Fisher is a better coach than Brian Kelly right now?
Just want to make sure I understand what you're saying here.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:51 am to SidewalkTiger
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So your stance is Jimbo Fisher is a better coach than Brian Kelly right now?
Just want to make sure I understand what you're saying here.
Do you mean, the NC-winning coach who just clocked Kelly? Yeah, I'll stand on that ledge.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:52 am to bamameister
It's weird how they think Kelly is better than Saban solely because of 32-31 but then that same logic also means Jimbo is better than Kelly.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:54 am to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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It's weird how they think Kelly is better than Saban solely because of 32-31 but then that same logic also means Jimbo is better than Kelly.
Has anyone said Kelly is better than Saban?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:56 am to NFLSU
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Based on an elite program needing a coach, today, there are only 3 that I would consider taking before Brian Kelly.
As I said, it's a different list, but here are the coaches I would take ahead of Kelly if I were an AD looking for a coach.
Nick Saban - At the end of his career, but is so great a coach you take what years he'll give you.
Kirby Smart - Young and proven.
Dabo Swinney - Young and proven.
Ryan Day - Recruiting chops are so good you can take some of the big game losses in exchange for elite talent. Young.
Lincoln Riley - VERY young (39) and has tons of conference championships, heisman winners and playoff appearances without having top 5 talent overall.
Luke Fickell - Young and a decent amount of success without having top talent.
Josh Heupel - Young and fairly successful. As much as it pains me to say it, he's done well despite never having top overall talent, though UT is moving in that direction.
To me, those guys are CLEARLY ahead of Kelly. After that comes a group that is at a similar level to Kelly where you could make an argument either way.
That groups contains older guys who have similar levels of success (Jim Harbaugh, Kyle Whittingham), guys in their 50's who've done a bit less but have more tread left on the tires (Mike Gundy, Sonny Dykes, James Franklin, Mark Stoops, Mario Cristobal) and very young guys who show promise but haven't been around long enough to cement that promise into proven production (Dan Lanning, PJ Fleck, Dave Arranda, Shane Beamer).
Arguments for or against any of those guys can be made against Kelly in terms of right now. But few would have Kelly ahead of all of them.
Kelly is a solid coach. So's Jim Harbaugh. So's Mike Gundy. So's Dave Arranda. He's not clearly ahead of anyone in that last group when it comes to their effectiveness "right now".
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