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Spinoff #2: As an SEC member, Aggy is 16-3 against their former conference foes
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:09 am
2 of those losses are to Mizzou, the other being against Kansas State in the 2016 Texas Bowl.
Interesting that TAMU has yet to play a Texas B12 school (Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech) since joining the SEC.
FBS Schedules only shows Colorado (2020, 2021) as a future OOC opponent that would fit into this category. This is obviously in addition to Arkansas and Missouri.
Interesting that TAMU has yet to play a Texas B12 school (Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech) since joining the SEC.
FBS Schedules only shows Colorado (2020, 2021) as a future OOC opponent that would fit into this category. This is obviously in addition to Arkansas and Missouri.
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:12 am to Murph4HOF
That’s kind of hilarious to think if they were still in the Big 12 they may have won a conference championship or two since then.
Imagine having Johnny Football in the 2012 or 2013 big 12. That’s before the recruiting financial dividends of the SEC would have set in so you could have had a bit more of an apples to apples comparison.
ETA: didn’t realize this but OU and K State were co champions that year and TAMU destroyed OU in their bowl game. TAMU definitely would have won the conference that year. Poor Aggie. And based off their 2011 schedule they’d have had K State at home.
ETA2: I thought K state had the lone title that year.
Imagine having Johnny Football in the 2012 or 2013 big 12. That’s before the recruiting financial dividends of the SEC would have set in so you could have had a bit more of an apples to apples comparison.
ETA: didn’t realize this but OU and K State were co champions that year and TAMU destroyed OU in their bowl game. TAMU definitely would have won the conference that year. Poor Aggie. And based off their 2011 schedule they’d have had K State at home.
ETA2: I thought K state had the lone title that year.
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:18 am to jlovel7
quote:. I mean that’s great and all but wouldn’t you want to play in the SEC, Against better competition, win 11 games and beat Alabama?
TAMU definitely would have won the conference that year.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:30 am to jlovel7
You remember who won the American Conference in 2012?Nope? Neither does anyone else.
Big 12 is no different. Crappy regional conference that is a non-factor on the national stage.
Case-in-point: you had no idea K State was co champion that year. What makes you think A&M winning that conference would have had any more value to A&M than it had for K State?
Fact is the SEC is so far above Big 12 in prestige that having a good season with a big bowl win in the SEC IS more memorable and valuable to a program than a conference title in the Big 12.
Big 12 is no different. Crappy regional conference that is a non-factor on the national stage.
Case-in-point: you had no idea K State was co champion that year. What makes you think A&M winning that conference would have had any more value to A&M than it had for K State?
Fact is the SEC is so far above Big 12 in prestige that having a good season with a big bowl win in the SEC IS more memorable and valuable to a program than a conference title in the Big 12.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:33 am to Krampus
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Case-in-point: you had no idea K State was co champion that year. What makes you think A&M winning that conference would have had any more value to A&M than it had for K State?
A&M might have been in the National Championship that year, so yeah, it might have had slightly more prestige than the AAC.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:35 am to Krampus
The big 12 will likely disband in 2025 when the TV contracts expire. I expect OU and Tx to stay together regardless of which conference they join.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:36 am to Krampus
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You remember who won the American Conference in 2012?Nope? Neither does anyone else.
Big 12 is no different. Crappy regional conference that is a non-factor on the national stage.
He makes a solid point
I mean who gives a shite if your 16-3 against these trash schools
It is kind of funny though that they would have likely played for a natty in ‘12 or ‘13 if they were in the Big 12
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:43 am to Solo Cam
Zero chance A&M plays for a natty in 2012 had we stayed in the Big 12.
Without the SEC move Sherman would still have been the coach. Johnny never would have seen the field due to behavior issues, and prevent defense would have been played in all games starting midway through the 3rd quarter. Minimum of 3 second-half collapses, leading to a 9-3 record, tops.
Without the SEC move Sherman would still have been the coach. Johnny never would have seen the field due to behavior issues, and prevent defense would have been played in all games starting midway through the 3rd quarter. Minimum of 3 second-half collapses, leading to a 9-3 record, tops.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:49 am to Krampus
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Big 12 is no different. Crappy regional conference that is a non-factor on the national stage.
So you’d rather be the 8th best team in the SEC? Weren’t their posts on here showing TAMU is a statistical rival to MSU? So you’d rather be a cultural misfit and play teams that don’t really care whether you’re on their schedule or not and basically check you off as an auto win than play against your historical rivals? Why? Conference prestige? Where has that gotten you?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:53 am to Krampus
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Case-in-point: you had no idea K State was co champion that year. What makes you think A&M winning that conference would have had any more value to A&M than it had for K State
I absolutely remember K state was the champion that year. I thought they were the only champions. I didn’t know that OU was co champion. I remember they had their arse handed to them by TAMU but couldn’t remember how good their season was. They were big 12 champions. That’s a good season. Then y’all whipped them. That’s a great bowl win.
That’s the year K state had Klein at QB and he was a Heisman finalist but they blew it against Baylor the same night Oregon blew it against Stanford. So your theory of nobody remembers anybody but national champions is false. I remember K state having probably their best season ever and falling just short.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:58 am to jlovel7
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I remember K state having probably their best season ever and falling just short.
K state's best season ever, ending in falling just short was in 1998. Undefeated going into the Big 12 conference title game. Lost in OT, and lost their NC berth along with it.
Again, not surprised you don't remember because it happened in the Big 12. Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 11:30 am to Murph4HOF
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2 of those losses are to Mizzou
Just a friendly reminder
Posted on 7/6/20 at 11:49 am to Lou2theZou
Decided to add up Mizzou's record against former Big 8/Big 12 conference foes.
I was shocked at how little Mizzou has played their former conference mates.
I know Okie State was in both the Big 8 and Big 12, but since they were in the Big 8 with Mizzou before the formation of the Big 12, I counted them as a former Big 8 team.
Future OOC games vs. former B8/B12 opponents:
2022, 2023: K-State
2025, 2026, 2031, 2032: Kansas
2025, 2030: Colorado
Not so shocking is that if you ignore TAMU's record vs. Arkansas (because dumpster fire since Petrino's motorcycle accident) and current G5 schools, Mizzou and TAMU are both .500 against their former conference foes including vs. each other.
Mizzou is 1-2 against Big 12 schools who didn't join the SEC while TAMU is 2-1 vs Big 12 schools who didn't join the SEC.
I was shocked at how little Mizzou has played their former conference mates.
I know Okie State was in both the Big 8 and Big 12, but since they were in the Big 8 with Mizzou before the formation of the Big 12, I counted them as a former Big 8 team.
Future OOC games vs. former B8/B12 opponents:
2022, 2023: K-State
2025, 2026, 2031, 2032: Kansas
2025, 2030: Colorado
Not so shocking is that if you ignore TAMU's record vs. Arkansas (because dumpster fire since Petrino's motorcycle accident) and current G5 schools, Mizzou and TAMU are both .500 against their former conference foes including vs. each other.
Mizzou is 1-2 against Big 12 schools who didn't join the SEC while TAMU is 2-1 vs Big 12 schools who didn't join the SEC.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 11:57 am to Solo Cam
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It is kind of funny though that they would have likely played for a natty in ‘12 or ‘13 if they were in the Big 12
Not a chance.
Alabama played undefeated Notre Dame in the 2012 championship. Who was Alabama's only loss that year? Big 12 A&M never plays Alabama.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 11:58 am to Krampus
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Without the SEC move Sherman would still have been the coach. Johnny never would have seen the field due to behavior issues, and prevent defense would have been played in all games starting midway through the 3rd quarter. Minimum of 3 second-half collapses, leading to a 9-3 record, tops.
Maybe but nobody knows for sure. Overall the results for A&M in the SEC and The Big 12 aren't that different. Decent bowl type team most seasons.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:02 pm to Krampus
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Big 12 is no different. Crappy regional conference that is a non-factor on the national stage.
It never fails to make me laugh when aggies try to shite on their past conference yet fail to realize that the rest of the conference was shitting on them while they were a member for 15 years
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Big 12 is no different. Crappy regional conference that is a non-factor on the national stage.
Can't deny that the Big 12 has not held up its end of the bargain on "conference prestige". But isn't being a factor on the national stage more of a team thing than it is a conference thing? I know for an aggie that would be hard to grasp since you only have your conference mates' accomplishments to rub in other fans' faces rather than your own. But I can't help but think when LSU, or Bama or Florida or Auburn were sitting on the national championship podium, they were thinking "we'd just like to give a heartfelt thank you to our conference mates for challenging us along the way!"
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:07 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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But isn't being a factor on the national stage more of a team thing than it is a conference thing?
No chance an SEC champion ever gets left out of the playoffs. Same can't be said for the Big 12. Conference absolutely matters.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:07 pm to XWing atAliciousness
quote:I think several teams have had players comment that the conference games prepared them for the bowls; I've heard several times people said some version of "hey, we play in the SEC, we've already seen stuff at this level (or higher)".
Can't deny that the Big 12 has not held up its end of the bargain on "conference prestige". But isn't being a factor on the national stage more of a team thing than it is a conference thing? I know for an aggie that would be hard to grasp since you only have your conference mates' accomplishments to rub in other fans' faces rather than your own. But I can't help but think when LSU, or Bama or Florida or Auburn were sitting on the national championship podium, they were thinking "we'd just like to give a heartfelt thank you to our conference mates for challenging us along the way!"
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:08 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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But I can't help but think when LSU, or Bama or Florida or Auburn were sitting on the national championship podium, they were thinking "we'd just like to give a heartfelt thank you to our conference mates for challenging us along the way!"
It's more about allowing you a chance to absorb even some Ls and have a shot at he playoffs as a second conference representative if things fall right. No other conference at present time has the prestige to pretend that.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:10 pm to Krampus
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No chance an SEC champion ever gets left out of the playoffs. Same can't be said for the Big 12. Conference absolutely matters.
Not to mention the SEC is the only conference with a shot of getting 2 teams in right now. No one else can even dream about it.
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