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re: Spinoff #2: As an SEC member, Aggy is 16-3 against their former conference foes
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:10 pm to Scoob
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:10 pm to Scoob
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I think several teams have had players comment that the conference games prepared them for the bowls; I've heard several times people said some version of "hey, we play in the SEC, we've already seen stuff at this level (or higher)".
This is a very real phenomenon also. Having seen both sides of it before and after A&M's SEC move, being the battle-tested SEC team that steamrolls your bowl opponants >>>>>>>> being the opponant who gets steamrolled by a battle-tested SEC team.
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:12 pm to Krampus
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No chance an SEC champion ever gets left out of the playoffs. Same can't be said for the Big 12. Conference absolutely matters
Really?? So even if there's an upset and a 3-loss team from the East beats a 1-loss team from the West, the playoffs are contractually obligated to take that 3-loss team? I HAD NO IDEA!
And sure conference matters, yet every year of the playoffs, except the first, a one-loss Big 12 team has made the playoffs. And that was because there wasn't a conference championship game in 2014.
Not to mention that there hasn't been a 2-loss team in the playoffs yet.
So wouldn't you agree that it's up to the team to post a 12-1 record or better than it is for the rest of their conference to look shiny along the way?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:14 pm to r2d2
quote:I'm not sure if you mean "decent team that will get to a bowl" or "team that will make it to a decent bowl".
Overall the results for A&M in the SEC and The Big 12 aren't that different. Decent bowl type team most seasons.
2012- Cotton (decent)
2013- Peach (decent)
2014- Liberty (shite)
2015- Music City (meh)
2016- Texas (meh)
2017- Belk (shite)
2018- Gator (meh)
2019- Texas (meh)
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:16 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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And sure conference matters, yet every year of the playoffs, except the first, a one-loss Big 12 team has made the playoffs.
And been easily dispatched by more battle-tested teams from other conferences. Big 12 schedule does not prepare a team for a playoff run.
12-1 record in the Big 12 puts the team in same position nationally as a 12-1 team from the AAC. People discussing whether or not they deserve a playoff spot. It's not anywhere close to guaranteed. That's the difference.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:18 pm to Murph4HOF
From 2012-present, A&M was the favorite in (I think) every one of their bowl games.
From 1996-2011, A&M was the underdog in 7 of the 11 bowls they played in.
From 1996-2011, A&M was the underdog in 7 of the 11 bowls they played in.
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:23 pm to Krampus
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12-1 record in the Big 12 puts the team in same position nationally as a 12-1 team from the AAC. People discussing whether or not they deserve a playoff spot. It's not anywhere close to guaranteed. That's the difference.
Lol no it has not. Yes, Oklahoma has struggled the last two years of the playoffs. I would take that as a sign that they still deserve to be considered one of the top 4 teams, just conclusively not one of the top 2. I also remember one of the only playoff games to ever go into OT featured a Big 12 team versus a "battle-tested" SEC team... so I'm not sure where you're getting at here with a 12-1 AAC team?
Again, I would think this would be an embarrassing take for Aggie fans considering they were routinely a doormat in the Big 12, which they now see as quite inferior. But I digress.
Again, going 12-1 is a team's accomplishment, not a conferences
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:25 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:TAMU's bowl record since 2012: 5-3.
From 2012-present, A&M was the favorite in (I think) every one of their bowl games.
- two of those being decent bowls
quote:TAMU's bowl record from 1996-2010: 1-9.
From 1996-2010, A&M was the underdog in 7 of the 11 bowls they played in.
- four of those being decent or better bowls
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:31 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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Yes, Oklahoma has struggled the last two years of the playoffs. I would take that as a sign that they still deserve to be considered one of the top 4 teams, just conclusively not one of the top 2.
2015: An argument could be made that both Iowa (12-1) and Ohio State (11-1) were better than Oklahoma, but the committee wasn't going to put a 2nd Big 10 team in.
2017: Can't really make an argument for anyone outside the top 4.
2018: An argument could be made that Ohio State (12-1) was better than Oklahoma.
2019: Can't really make an argument for anyone outside the top 4.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:37 pm to Murph4HOF
It is amazing that Arkansas plays them so close every year and never wins. Always a good game.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:56 pm to Murph4HOF
Big12 sucks? Naw, really?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 1:07 pm to Krampus
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Fact is the SEC is so far above Big 12 in prestige
We lost some of that SEC prestige as soon as aggy came into the conference. Its about as equivalent as saying Rutgers would be more prestigious if they were in the SEC. Is this why aggy plasterers SEC emblems on everything? Because they can only be “successful” by association?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 1:16 pm to Krampus
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K state's best season ever, ending in falling just short was in 1998. Undefeated going into the Big 12 conference title game. Lost in OT, and lost their NC berth along with it.
Again, not surprised you don't remember because it happened in the Big 12. Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
You fricker
I remember that season as well. I couldn’t decide if that would be considered #1 or this would. Literally thought to myself if I say 2012 then he’ll probably argue 1998. Those two seasons may as well be identical. K state rose up to be in position to play for a national title then collapsed in the home stretch. How could their best season ever be a season where they didn’t win a conference championship and then 2012 be an almost identical situation but they do win a conference championship?
Cmon man. Not sure why you’re shitting on the Big 12. It’s where Texas A&M belongs. Anyone who says they belong in the SEC is lying to themselves. We already have a Mississippi state. Y’all even have the same adidas uniforms. Financially the move was a success but culturally and for football purposes you’re no better off and in fact probably worse off. You can’t tell me you enjoy playing schools who couldn’t give two shits about your existence more than playing your historical rivals can you?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 1:18 pm to Murph4HOF
No one gives a shite about the Big Xll other than OU and Texas fans. OU ineptitude in big games has been a major factor, Major factor
Posted on 7/6/20 at 1:20 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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considering they were routinely a doormat in the Big 12
A&M never once finished in sole possession of last place like you did in 2010.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 1:57 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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Again, going 12-1 is a team's accomplishment, not a conferences
Depends.
12-1 in the SEC is a damn big accomplishment for a team. It means going toe-to-toe with the the best players in the country week after week and ending up with multiple wins over top 10 teams.
12-1 in the Big 12, with a loss to OU, and your best wins being over mediocre TCU and Okie St teams, and I'd say the conference is about as responsible for that 12-1 record as the team.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 2:06 pm to jlovel7
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You can’t tell me you enjoy playing schools who couldn’t give two shits about your existence more than playing your historical rivals can you?
100% yes I can. If A&M ever went back to the Big 12, I'd be done with college football. It's just a boring conference, full of mediocre stadiums in crappy towns (plus Austin, but even that kinda sucks these days with all the homeless around).
OU is the best of the bunch by far. Only atmosphere in the Big 12 that resembles an SEC gameday experience. Always enjoyed road trips to Norman, game outcomes notwithstanding.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:25 pm to Krampus
Why do people associate conference affiliation? Honest question...is it complacency to losses on the field?
Just curious.
Just curious.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:28 pm to CFB Fan83
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Why do people associate conference affiliation? Honest question...is it complacency to losses on the field?
Associate conference affiliation with what?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:35 pm to Krampus
I just don’t get the conference thing. Did each member of the SEC get to put a trophy of LSU’s success in the case last year?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 5:25 pm to CFB Fan83
I've seen A&M play is a crappy conference, and I've seen A&M play in the premier conference in country. Playing in the SEC is just another level of awesome. The stadiums, the tailgating, the traditions, and the passion of the fanbases are all unmatched.
The only pride I take in LSU or Alabama winning a national title is that it's an opportunity for A&M to beat a reigning national champion next season, and knowing that A&M is competing against the best the game has to offer on a weekly basis. There's big game after big game after big game all season long. The excitement that generates is downright intoxicating.
Back in the Big 12, there was one big game at the end of the season, plus OU, and then Nebraska every few years when they rolled around in the schedule. Otherwise it was a bunch of games in 50,000 seat stadiums against teams nobody cared about. Everyone knew OU was probably going to win the conference at the end of the year, and that A&M would probably get rolled by our bowl opponant from a better conference like the SEC that played at a much higher level than A&M was used to seeing.
It just wasn't exciting to know that even when you strung together a good year in the Big 12, you were still probably going to lose once you got matched up with the UGA, Miami, or Penn St. type of program in bowl season. Just a reminder that whatever you did in the regular season was mid-major compared to what other conferences were doing.
So yes, I do take pride in A&M being in the SEC. We haven't taken home any hardware yet, but at least we're competing against the best in the game. And it's fun as hell compared to what everyone else is doing.
The only pride I take in LSU or Alabama winning a national title is that it's an opportunity for A&M to beat a reigning national champion next season, and knowing that A&M is competing against the best the game has to offer on a weekly basis. There's big game after big game after big game all season long. The excitement that generates is downright intoxicating.
Back in the Big 12, there was one big game at the end of the season, plus OU, and then Nebraska every few years when they rolled around in the schedule. Otherwise it was a bunch of games in 50,000 seat stadiums against teams nobody cared about. Everyone knew OU was probably going to win the conference at the end of the year, and that A&M would probably get rolled by our bowl opponant from a better conference like the SEC that played at a much higher level than A&M was used to seeing.
It just wasn't exciting to know that even when you strung together a good year in the Big 12, you were still probably going to lose once you got matched up with the UGA, Miami, or Penn St. type of program in bowl season. Just a reminder that whatever you did in the regular season was mid-major compared to what other conferences were doing.
So yes, I do take pride in A&M being in the SEC. We haven't taken home any hardware yet, but at least we're competing against the best in the game. And it's fun as hell compared to what everyone else is doing.
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