re: So...the NCAA investigators / Miss. State made shite up?

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This is another Reb narrative that isn't even remotely close to being true. Even if they threw the Lewis stuff out, you still have something like 15 level one violations and you've admitted to more than half of them...some of them while being investigated. The NCAA could throw out the LL stuff and still hammer you to oblivion. They're not throwing it out, though, just so you know

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So when if we are hit with just a 1 year bowl ban because they find yall are full of shite, does that change your mind on this? Does it make you reevaluate that rides, meals, hotel rooms can add up to be a level 1 violation in the new penalty structure, that maybe OM didn't do anything more than anyone else?

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This thread is fantastic. Mississippians accusing other Mississippians of below average intelligence and lack of reading comprehension. If you are taking any statement at face value issued by any party involved in this matter then you lack the common sense of a peanut. However, it has become readily apparent that statements given may have included some healthy imagination. This is the norm.

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What's in the NOA is validated as fact. What's in the Ole Miss response is their explanation of it. The NCAA's response to that is a smack down of the Rebel stupidity.

The NOA is the only trustworthy source of info in all of this. I know that goes against your "witch hunt" narrative, but it's the truth.

Quoting Tim Brando “Ole Miss I have news for you: You are Ole Miss.” Even without NCAA concerns that is all you need to know.

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So when if we are hit with just a 1 year bowl ban because they find yall are full of shite, does that change your mind on this? Does it make you reevaluate that rides, meals, hotel rooms can add up to be a level 1 violation in the new penalty structure, that maybe OM didn't do anything more than anyone else?

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First of all that's not going to happen. You're getting another ban and more scholarships docked.

But if you get away with it, all of that just means you are better at cheating than everyone else, not that you're doing what everyone is doing, which is another stupid Rebel narrative. Half of the NCAA FBS turned your asses in.

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If I was a OM fan I would keep my mouth shut until the letter is released. Then either cry or crow..

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I'd take a bath if I were you.

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that maybe OM didn't do anything more than anyone else?

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No one believes this, it got way out of hand, sloppy, and public and that is what got you guys busted.

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yall are full of shite

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who is yall?

I would agree that most of it is nonsense (rides, meals, hotel rooms) but those are the rules and OM dared the NCAA to call them on it, dumb move.

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But if you get away with it, all of that just means you are better at cheating than everyone else

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So we are better at cheating than anyone else when we hand over the text that implicated the booster with leo and barney? That Freeze doesn't use a burner phone to contact hookers? We are the best cheaters when Leo, Simmons, Redmond, Peters, Dear, Green, Bryant, etc end up at State? What is in the NOA? We are the best cheaters because we gave rides to players, paid for hotels, and meals? What is in the noa that avoids muli year bowl ban that makes us the best cheaters? It was a 6 year investigation where our compliance gave the ncaa the silver bullet and our rival had players snitch, so if we get away with just 1 year bowl ban its not that we didn't do anything egregious, its that the school that couldn't get out of their own way is this master cheater. Do you hear how brain washed you are? No matter what players go to MSU, no matter how long the investigation, no matter what tools the investigative arm uses, if OM doesn't get what you want as a penalty then they got away with murder, not they didn't commit murder.

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No its not dude. Damn. If it was then there wouldn't be a hearing. Just here is what we found and here is your penalty. Did you not follow the UNC case at all? The people who draw up the NOA are completely separate from the people who deliver the penalty. The enforcement arm of the ncaa are just as bias as OM is.

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That's your story and you're sticking to it, I see.

Why isn't the Tunsil draft night revelation in the NOA? No, not because it didn't happen. It clearly happened. The NCAA couldn't verify it. That should scare the piss out of you. The stuff that's in the NOA is stuff they were able to verify and validate.

You cite the North Carolina ruling like it has some sort of precedent here. There is no relationship. But that said, the investigative staff found that athletes were taking bogus courses. That's not disputed by the COI. They didn't penalize NC because those courses were available to all students, not just student athletes. The NCAA investigation didn't fail....the COI just determined that athletes weren't getting benefits over and above normal students.

In this case you have what, 16 level one violations? Cash inducements. Disassociated boosters. ACT fraud. You've got a text from a booster to a coach admitted that they'd wasted $10.000. You've got a student athlete giving testimony so descriptive as to be able to identify boosters from a photo array and describe the multiple vehicles they were driving in detail. You've got three people who didn't know each other give similar testimony about the RR gear. And you guys think the COI is going to throw this stuff out?

I suggest everyone go back and read the NCAA's final response to the Ole Miss response of the NOA. The language was especially harsh.

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Just here is what we found and here is your penalty

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This crying and claims of a witch hunt has seriously begun to bore everyone. It is especially boring when the following is true.

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independent, matching reports from and were compelling and corroborative of one another and show the systematic way in which Kiffin and Farrar arranged the provision of free merchandise

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You do know that independent means separate from the NCAA and matching means there is more than one source right?

And let’s not forget arranged where Kiffin and Farrar allowed the merchandise to be given.

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Why isn't the Tunsil draft night revelation in the NOA? No, not because it didn't happen. It clearly happened. The NCAA couldn't verify it. That should scare the piss out of you. The stuff that's in the NOA is stuff they were able to verify and validate.

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There is a difference in choosing the put things you believe you can prove in the noa versus everything in the noa is already proven. If that were the case there wouldn't be a hearing. If that were the case then OM paid leo 15K and we will get the multi year ban. So given you believe this you believe there is no way out of the multiyear ban. I'll ask again, if its 1 year, do you take a step back and realize you are wrong and you have been brainwashed or are you staying in your "I don't care what the facts say, I want to stay in the dark and believe what I want to believe" boat?