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re: Solely about football. Are SMU and Texas Tech more desirable coaching jobs than Arkansas?
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:00 am to ScotlandAve
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:00 am to ScotlandAve
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:59 am to ScotlandAve
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This is only about football. Both SMU and Texas Tech appear to be more financially committed to winning than Arkansas.
No, but they're decent jobs.
The tectonic shift in how college football operates hit Arkansas at a terrible time. Paying a lot of buyouts, saddled with paying off an unnecessary stadium expansion. Poor AD, followed by an ok AD. They're in a situation very like the one Colorado was in pre-Deion.
Probably going to be a house cleaning after this season, but they're going to have to find a coach and AD that can reconnect with the fans and get them committed to Razorback football again.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 9:22 am to dchog
It was cyclical but at the time Broyles had his most success the old sec was only Texas and Arkansas and occasionally someone else
Might be decent…but mostly Arkansas had one tough conference game and usually lost that one. Broyles also figured out he needed to schedule wins in his OOC games before it was the norm. He played a soft OOC schedule. He was smart. It worked. But it is what it is. I grew up around it and remember those Tulsa and Wichita state games
Played every year along with a bad Okie state during that time. Going to the sec changed the game.
Might be decent…but mostly Arkansas had one tough conference game and usually lost that one. Broyles also figured out he needed to schedule wins in his OOC games before it was the norm. He played a soft OOC schedule. He was smart. It worked. But it is what it is. I grew up around it and remember those Tulsa and Wichita state games
Played every year along with a bad Okie state during that time. Going to the sec changed the game.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 9:32 am to ScotlandAve
I don’t know how hyped he was but maybe the best player they ever signed out of state was Steve Atwater from St Louis. Hall of Famer and a cold assassin.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 9:40 am to ScotlandAve
SEC schools don't need to win to cash checks.
Texas Tech needs to win to bank. Arkansas can just kick back and bank.
Texas Tech needs to win to bank. Arkansas can just kick back and bank.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 9:49 am to Wildcat23
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I don’t know how hyped he was but maybe the best player they ever signed out of state was Steve Atwater from St Louis. Hall of Famer and a cold assassin.
Most of the all time greats at Arkie were from out of state
Barry Foster - Texas
Bill Ray Smith Jr - Texas
Joe Ferguson - Louisiana
Pat Summerall - Florida
Lance Alworth - Mississippi
Lloyd Phillips - Texas
Dan Hampton and Darren McFadden were native born.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:09 am to ScotlandAve
Arkansas needs a coach that will excite the fanbase particularly locally. The Waltons and the businesses in NWA because of Wal-Matt could give compelling rea$on$ for top flight recruits to consider the Razorbacks, and that’s not even considering Jerry Jones.
Bert was an embarrassment, Morris set the program back a decade, and Pittboss seemed a bit of a lazy hire. The days of Nutt winning at a high clip with 3 stars and an occasional diamond in the rough are not going to cut it in SEC.
Arky needs to figure out how to recover from a certain motorcycle incident that left the program broken.
Bert was an embarrassment, Morris set the program back a decade, and Pittboss seemed a bit of a lazy hire. The days of Nutt winning at a high clip with 3 stars and an occasional diamond in the rough are not going to cut it in SEC.
Arky needs to figure out how to recover from a certain motorcycle incident that left the program broken.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:19 am to ScotlandAve
Yes. SMU and TT are stepping stones to better jobs. Arkansas is a destination job that will eventually get you fired.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:27 am to ScotlandAve
Due to SMU and TT writing blank checks as of right now yes but if Arkansas boosters would pony up and write checks like that then it’s easily Arkansas without a doubt.
That SEC patch on the jersey goes much further than any other patch.
That SEC patch on the jersey goes much further than any other patch.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:22 am to Wildcat23
Steve Atwater from St Louis
That dude never strayed away from contact. Him Brian Dawkins and John lynch are all cut from the wish a motherfacker would come across the middle cloth. They used pads to break up passes.
That dude never strayed away from contact. Him Brian Dawkins and John lynch are all cut from the wish a motherfacker would come across the middle cloth. They used pads to break up passes.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:03 pm to ScotlandAve
Honestly it depends, is arky a destination job? If arky is, then it’s in fact a better job than Smu or tech. If it’s not a destination job but a stepping stone to a dream job then it’s behind Smu and Texas tech. If you’re trying to improve your stock to land a premier gig I think it’s easier to do so in the acc/big 12 especially given Smu/techs access to cash vs their conference peers.
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 3:42 pm to Windy City
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 4:02 pm to HoustonTigerNKaty
If it was just revenue sharing that is capped then they have a chance to be competitive.
But with these NIL collectives that aren't capped, they have no chance unless the Waltons step in but they rather make money being owners of the Denver Broncos.
But with these NIL collectives that aren't capped, they have no chance unless the Waltons step in but they rather make money being owners of the Denver Broncos.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 7:53 pm to dchog
Arkansas football would thrive in the Big12. Their path to playoffs would be difficult but easier than SEC. Could arkansas get better coaches if they were in big 12? Easier to win there.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:29 pm to texas tortilla
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Arkansas football would thrive in the Big12. Their path to playoffs would be difficult but easier than SEC. Could arkansas get better coaches if they were in big 12? Easier to win there.
Not according to texas results.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:08 pm to texas tortilla
The only way Arkansas would join the Big 12 is if they offered more money than what they are getting paid now.
If Arkansas joined the Big 12 then recruiting will surely suffer as no one wants to play in that Mickey Mouse conference.
If Arkansas joined the Big 12 then recruiting will surely suffer as no one wants to play in that Mickey Mouse conference.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:31 pm to dchog
We left for stability, we ain’t going back to that crap.
We’ve been here 30 years now and have earned our place in multiple sports, no since in throwing everything away.
We’ve been here 30 years now and have earned our place in multiple sports, no since in throwing everything away.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 7:23 am to bamabaseballsec
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Honestly it depends, is arky a destination job? If arky is, then it’s in fact a better job than Smu or tech. If it’s not a destination job but a stepping stone to a dream job then it’s behind Smu and Texas tech. If you’re trying to improve your stock to land a premier gig I think it’s easier to do so in the acc/big 12 especially given Smu/techs access to cash vs their conference peers.
Interesting point... but Arkansas is a place that isn't really either kind of place.
It is a good enough job to be a destination job... but the team is never good enough long enough for anybody to make it a destination.
And it isn't a stepping stone job because every coach they have ends up getting fired rather than stepping up to another job.
It should be a job the kind of job where a guy could have success and stay...or step up to the handful of jobs that are better than a successful Arkansas program would be.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 8:15 am to Gunga Din
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but Arkansas is a place that isn't really either kind of place.
A deep dive was done on this very subject in 2015. I think the results would indicate that the Razorbacks are hardly the exception to the football rule.
AVERAGE HEAD COACHING TENURE FOR EVERY SEC TEAM ALL-TIME
Florida - 21 HCs - 108 seasons - Average 5.1 years
Tenn - 23 HCs - 118 seasons - Average 5.1 years
Auburn - 25 HCs - 123 seasons - Average 4.9 years
Georgia - 25 HCs - 121 seasons - Average 4.8 years
Vandy - 28 HCs - 125 seasons - Average 4.5 years
ALABAMA - 27 HCs - 120 seasons - Average 4.4 years
TAMU - 28 HCs - 120 seasons - Average 4.3 years
Missouri - 31 HCs - 124 seasons - Average 4.0 years
LSU - 31 HCs - 122 seasons - Average 3.9 years
Arkansas - 32 HCs - 121 seasons - Average 3.8 years
South Carolina - 33 HCs - 121 seasons - Average 3.7 years
Miss State - 32 HCs - 115 seasons - Average 3.6 years
Ole Miss - 36 HCs - 120 years - Average 3.3 years
Kentucky - 38 HCs - 124 seasons - Average 3.3 years
Keep in mind, this was done 10 years ago. A team like Kentucky, last place, has been very stable in the last decade, while programs like Ole Miss, LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee, the barn, and a few others have been very active.
Doesn't matter; the shelf life of an SEC HC suggests he's extremely transient and perhaps needs to invest wisely. By the way, the average tenure for a college football head coach is 3.8 years.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 2:00 pm to MtVernon
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Texas Tech needs to win to bank. Arkansas can just kick back and bank.
In the years to come that won't be the case. I think programs like Vandy and Miss St in the SEC and Northwestern and Rutgers in the B10 could get pushed out of their conferences if the TV networks want bigger brands to replace them.
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