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re: So You Believe Some Referees Are Intentionally Altering Games?

Posted on 9/16/24 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by Miznoz
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 6:32 pm to
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There's has been enough money bet on football for sometime now to make it statistically likely this has been going on for sometime.

There is billions and billions bet on the games. So without a doubt there is motivation for people. It's not hard to keep people quiet when you hand them over life changing money.

And honestly it could get dark, it would be cheaper for them to threaten the families and that makes it more likely people keep quiet.

sounds crazy? remember it's easily billions of dollars we're talking. you have all seen the sopranos bozos like that do that crap for a few hundred k a year.


Thought of a better way to put this.

So sometimes the casinos and creditors that put up the money for people to gamble against stand to lose 9, 10 figures.

You think they are not going to drop a mil to a ref to make sure they keep that money?

Posted by samson73103
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 6:39 pm to
Of course they are. According to LSU fans, the refs and not Nick Saban are responsible for Alabama success over the last 17 years.
Posted by PeleofAnalytics
Member since Jun 2021
4930 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 6:42 pm to
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Yes indeed, some crews have tendencies. I am not saying it is nefarious. But they called 17 penalties against Alabama and 13 against South Carolina, and missed other obvious penalties, which ultimately decided the outcome of both those games.


Now you have to compare the tendencies the times they call an Arkansas/Vandy game in early November with almost no money bet. If they do the same there, they are just incompetent. If they are impeccable in a game like that, NCAA might want to look into it.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:00 pm to
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Now you have to compare the tendencies the times they call an Arkansas/Vandy game in early November with almost no money bet. If they do the same there, they are just incompetent. If they are impeccable in a game like that, NCAA might want to look into it.


Anytime any officiating crew calls enough penalties on one team that it ends in “teen”, they need to be examined. The average number of penalties per team in a game is 6.5.

When you double that number or more there needs to be scrutiny. Especially when there were other glaring penalties missed and ignored. I can not find the statistics for Jason Autrey’s crew. But I would bet my life they don’t call 12+ penalties on one team very often. Yet when they do it changes the outcome of the game. Maybe it is coincidence. But why the frick was he pumping his fist after a review in the Alabama game? That is very strange.
Posted by lastfan
Houston
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:03 pm to
I don’t think there’s a question that it happens. It probably happens quite often. It sucks, but everything in life gets tarnished eventually.
Posted by BevoBucks
H-town
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:14 pm to
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Do you think there are referees that are actively trying to impact the results of games?

I do.
It’s probably safe to assume every aspect of college sports is being influenced by Vegas (see Brad Bohannan).
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:01 pm to
Exactly
Posted by robvols
Member since Jan 2024
1005 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:58 pm to
"But just for the heck of it, ask the Bengals fans here whether they feel the Chiefs got a little help from the refs yesterday."

The Chiefs are THE LEAGUE'S TEAM
Posted by Wolf Shirt
the boardwalk
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 5:43 am to
Check out the whistleblower podcast about cheating nba refs
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59615 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 7:51 am to
the biggest problem I have right now is refs don't have to answer for bad calls or questionable calls. This is really across all sports.

Did the refs ever answer in the Saints vs Rams game? Maybe the NFL said it was wrong, but refs should have to face interviews just like coaches and players when they make horrible mistakes.

Penalties can have an effect on the game. LSU may have lost if they didn't call the OPI, have the refs said what they saw? Was it just a wrong number? or something worse?
Posted by cornerstore
Member since Jul 2024
1746 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:59 am to
Yes I wholeheartedly do. Allowing gambling from apps on any game was a terrible idea.

That Whistleblower podcast about Tim Donaghy was awesome. Said you can swing an NBA game 6-8 points with a loose or tight whistle.
Posted by southpawcock
Member since Oct 2015
17078 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:01 am to
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Of course they are. According to LSU fans, the refs and not Nick Saban are responsible for Alabama success over the last 17 years.



LSU fans are like the schoolyard kids who can dish it out but can't take it.
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:15 am to
LSU didn’t cover. Money was on SC +6.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
20367 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:22 am to
Listening to the Donaghy interview on youtube was enlightening. Obviously he is very biased, but some of the things he said can’t really be refuted. There is no doubt that all the different leagues, whether college or pro, instruct referees on how to call games; what infractions to focus on, which ones to ignore, what players/positions to keep an eye on and which ones not worry too much about, all of which impact a game. That happens even if the referees are lily clean and trying to call an honest and fair game.

You just have to look at some of the ridiculous targeting penalties called, and then upheld on video review, to see how much of an impact it has on games.

Now combine that with the occasional dirty ref and it is a real mess.

With the amount of money involved, it has to be very tempting for a referee to do it “just this once” for an extra $10k, $20k, $100k. And if they do it once and it works…. Well the kids need to go to college, and the wife’s car is making a funny noise, and we sure would like to go on that vacation we’ve been talking about.

When you give people the opportunity to make tens of thousands of dollars with no real effort and with little fear of being caught or losing their job, it is inevitable some will try.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
20367 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:33 am to
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LSU didn’t cover. Money was on SC +6.


You can also bet the money line on who will win regardless of spread. That was LSU -240. Just think how well someone would have done if they bet $20k on South Carolina to cover the spread, $48k on LSU to win, and $20k on the over. If, and this is a big if, you were wanting to fix a game, making multiple smaller bets would attract less attention than making one large bet. It would also reduce risk in case the refs couldn’t affect the outcome like they hoped. In the example above, the gambler would have won $20k on the spread, $20k on the money line, and $20k on the o/u. After the house’s 10% they would have walked away with $54k.

However, if LSU had not scored that final touchdown, the gambler who placed the bet above would have won 2 of their 3 bets, but lost $12k overall because of the money line bet. Now add a zero to each bet and you really have some motivation to make sure LSU won.

All hypothetical of course.

This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 9:39 am
Posted by bamaoldtimer
Member since Dec 2009
1712 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:49 am to
We all know that holding takes place on every play. The game would never end if enforced to the letter. Same for pass interference. Targeting is becoming another foul that COULD be called much more if refs wanted too.

Here are the types of fouls:
Off sides. - pretty straightforward. Replay can easily spot offender.
Illegal motion- same. Pretty easy to spot.
Illegal formation. - same. Easy to spot on replay.
Holding- imho, the easiest foul for a ref to abuse if he wants too.
Pass interference- sometimes easy to spot but other times when ball is clearly uncatchable they throw flag and this foul is the most abused IMHO by refs.
Unsportsmanlike conduct- an easy foul to abuse if ref wants too. Just trash talking your opponent could get you the flag.


Solution: holding. If holding would not have any effect on play, a warning given to offender. Two strikes and you’re out for game. But play stands. Video review could settle whether holding affected play.

Same for PI.

Roughing the passer- should always be reviewed by outside refs

Do I think refs make calls at critical times to affect outcome of a game? Absolutely.
Posted by JacieNY
Member since Jul 2024
1855 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:07 am to
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For all the ones caught doing it, I am certain there are exponentially more that aren’t caught. Do you think there are referees that are actively trying to impact the results of games?


I normally don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing until I rewatch the end of the 2006 OU @ Oregon game and THAT makes me go "Hmmm".
Posted by robvols
Member since Jan 2024
1005 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:40 am to
They aren't going to say it is wrong because it's part of the script.
Posted by TFH
Member since Apr 2016
3457 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:41 am to
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I still remember that game for the bad officiating that was going on. A friend and I watched it at an airport terminal waiting on a flight. That game is the poster display for crooked officiating. To my knowledge the SEC never offered up any explanation for what happened on the field.

They suspended the crew for a week was all. I still get mad.
Posted by robvols
Member since Jan 2024
1005 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:50 am to
There had to be fines.........
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