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re: So Brian Kelly led LSU misdiagnosed Brooks Jr’s brain tumor?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 4:23 pm to collegefootballisbroken
Posted on 5/9/25 at 4:23 pm to collegefootballisbroken
Kelly scaring you boys.
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 4:31 pm to tigerfoot
I laid this at the feet of the LSU medical staff from the beginning. But Brian Kelly is ultimately the CEO of the football program.
The optics of this wouldn’t be so bad if not for the timing. He was having the symptoms the last month of fall camp and the first 10 days of the season. He was around the medical and coaching staff every day. He was complaining, at least off and on, for over a month. Yet they still cleared him to participate in fall camp and to play two games with a brain tumor while neglecting a common and basic diagnostic scan.
In today’s day and age I don’t know how any medical professional could clear a player who is having ongoing neurological symptoms to play without first ordering an MRI. It is just hard to believe.
The optics of this wouldn’t be so bad if not for the timing. He was having the symptoms the last month of fall camp and the first 10 days of the season. He was around the medical and coaching staff every day. He was complaining, at least off and on, for over a month. Yet they still cleared him to participate in fall camp and to play two games with a brain tumor while neglecting a common and basic diagnostic scan.
In today’s day and age I don’t know how any medical professional could clear a player who is having ongoing neurological symptoms to play without first ordering an MRI. It is just hard to believe.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 4:37 pm to collegefootballisbroken
quote:When you get a taste for it you cannot stop.
So Brian Kelly led LSU misdiagnosed Brooks Jr’s brain tumor?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:28 pm to captdalton
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So you agree that the head coach has zero responsibility for the safety or health of players, that is 100% on the medical staff?
I'm saying that only a simpleton believes a head football coach is responsible for what the medical staff does or doesn't do.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:28 pm to captdalton
quote:do you have any experience with vertigo diagnosis, treatments, and care? It can take months before a doctor would move from basic vertigo treatments to scheduling an MRI. If the symptoms were come and go, they would try multiple things to resolve vertigo prior to even considering an MRI. This is common medical practice.
Yet they still cleared him to participate in fall camp and to play two games with a brain tumor while neglecting a common and basic diagnostic scan.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:35 pm to collegefootballisbroken
Jesus do we need a daily thread on this? Use the search function
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:47 pm to hashtag
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do you have any experience with vertigo diagnosis, treatments, and care?
Yes. Several years ago I had what turned out to be a clogged eustachian tube that was causing vertigo. I went to my primary care doctor complaining of unusual dizziness. He diagnosed it as a sinus infection that had spread to my ear. He prescribed me a course of antibiotics and steroids, but to be safe referred me to an ENT the following week. The ENT performed an endoscopy and confirmed the sinus infection. He agreed with my primary doc, that the vertigo was likely from a clogged eustachian tube. But he said if the antibiotics and steroids had not resolved it at the end of two weeks he wanted to perform an MRI and CT scan. He told me not to fly, operate machinery, climb, etc. while i had the vertigo. But, he did not specifically tell me not to play SEC football. The antibiotics and steroids cleared up the infection, my ear unclogged itself, and the vertigo and dizziness went away within two weeks.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I'm saying that only a simpleton believes a head football coach is responsible for what the medical staff does or doesn't do.
Yep.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:50 pm to captdalton
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It is Brian Kelly’s job to make sure LSU’s football program has a medical staff that is able to diagnose tumors or refer to someone who can in a timely manner. LSU’s medical staff cleared Brooks to play in multiple games, the last only days before his emergency brain surgery.
No way you were serious with this post
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:51 pm to ukraine_rebel
PROBLEM #1.... THE PARENTS FORGOT TO TAKE CHARGE OF THEIR KID.
Sorry, but a team sports guy isn't making that call on my kid.
Sorry, but a team sports guy isn't making that call on my kid.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:52 pm to captdalton
I know ChatGPT is probably not the best response here but at least it gives you a frame of reference. In GBs case it took 39 days to get a diagnosis, or 5-6 weeks. I think that is pretty damn good.
"The time it takes to diagnose a brain tumor after symptoms like dizziness and vertigo begin can vary widely. However, here's a realistic breakdown based on typical scenarios in the U.S. healthcare system:
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### **1. Initial Onset and Delay in Seeking Care (1–6 months or more)**
* Many people initially ignore or attribute symptoms like dizziness or vertigo to benign causes (e.g., dehydration, stress, inner ear issues).
* If symptoms are intermittent and not severe, individuals may not seek immediate medical attention, leading to significant delays.
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### **2. Primary Care or Urgent Care Visit (Within 1–4 weeks of making appointment)**
* The first evaluation usually involves basic neurological and vestibular assessment.
* Most physicians will initially consider more common causes like BPPV (benign paroxysmal positional vertigo), vestibular neuritis, or inner ear problems.
---
### **3. Trial Treatment and Observation (2–8 weeks)**
* Doctors might prescribe medications (meclizine, steroids) or recommend vestibular therapy.
* If symptoms persist or worsen, further workup is ordered.
---
### **4. Referral to Neurologist or ENT (Wait time: 1–3 months)**
* Specialists may perform more detailed exams and often order imaging if symptoms are atypical, persistent, or progressively worsening.
---
### **5. Imaging – MRI or CT (Time to test: 1–4 weeks after referral)**
* **MRI with contrast** is the gold standard for identifying brain tumors.
* In urgent cases (severe worsening, new neurological signs), imaging may be done within days in the ER.
---
### **6. Diagnosis and Confirmation (Same day to 2 weeks)**
* If imaging shows a suspicious mass, the diagnosis can be suggested immediately by a radiologist.
* Further confirmation may involve referral to neurosurgery, biopsy, or additional imaging.
---
### **Total Time from Onset to Diagnosis:**
* **Optimistic/urgent scenario:** 2–6 weeks
* **Average scenario with delays:** 3–9 months
* **Infrequent or misattributed symptoms:** Over a year
---
If the dizziness and vertigo are **not accompanied by other neurological signs** (like visual changes, weakness, speech problems, or seizures), the process tends to take longer due to lower initial suspicion."
"The time it takes to diagnose a brain tumor after symptoms like dizziness and vertigo begin can vary widely. However, here's a realistic breakdown based on typical scenarios in the U.S. healthcare system:
---
### **1. Initial Onset and Delay in Seeking Care (1–6 months or more)**
* Many people initially ignore or attribute symptoms like dizziness or vertigo to benign causes (e.g., dehydration, stress, inner ear issues).
* If symptoms are intermittent and not severe, individuals may not seek immediate medical attention, leading to significant delays.
---
### **2. Primary Care or Urgent Care Visit (Within 1–4 weeks of making appointment)**
* The first evaluation usually involves basic neurological and vestibular assessment.
* Most physicians will initially consider more common causes like BPPV (benign paroxysmal positional vertigo), vestibular neuritis, or inner ear problems.
---
### **3. Trial Treatment and Observation (2–8 weeks)**
* Doctors might prescribe medications (meclizine, steroids) or recommend vestibular therapy.
* If symptoms persist or worsen, further workup is ordered.
---
### **4. Referral to Neurologist or ENT (Wait time: 1–3 months)**
* Specialists may perform more detailed exams and often order imaging if symptoms are atypical, persistent, or progressively worsening.
---
### **5. Imaging – MRI or CT (Time to test: 1–4 weeks after referral)**
* **MRI with contrast** is the gold standard for identifying brain tumors.
* In urgent cases (severe worsening, new neurological signs), imaging may be done within days in the ER.
---
### **6. Diagnosis and Confirmation (Same day to 2 weeks)**
* If imaging shows a suspicious mass, the diagnosis can be suggested immediately by a radiologist.
* Further confirmation may involve referral to neurosurgery, biopsy, or additional imaging.
---
### **Total Time from Onset to Diagnosis:**
* **Optimistic/urgent scenario:** 2–6 weeks
* **Average scenario with delays:** 3–9 months
* **Infrequent or misattributed symptoms:** Over a year
---
If the dizziness and vertigo are **not accompanied by other neurological signs** (like visual changes, weakness, speech problems, or seizures), the process tends to take longer due to lower initial suspicion."
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:56 pm to captdalton
quote:Again, when is a CEO responsible for an employee brain tumor? When is it 'laid at his feet"? The CEO of Apple had many employees given tragic news this week, are these his fault in your nutso world. Of course, you got a follow up from an ENT with an endoscope for a simple sinus infection. You can lay this at the feet of God, it is just a bad deal. People get sick. Bad things happen to great people.
I laid this at the feet of the LSU medical staff from the beginning. But Brian Kelly is ultimately the CEO of the football program.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:58 pm to SEC Doctor
So this was a breakdown in the LSU medical staff and not just an ol’ football coach. That makes it even worse.
Why are Louisiana hospitals and doctors always making headlines in regards to LSU football? LOL is an appropriate acronym for Our Lady of the Lake Medical Center.
Why are Louisiana hospitals and doctors always making headlines in regards to LSU football? LOL is an appropriate acronym for Our Lady of the Lake Medical Center.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:59 pm to captdalton
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So this was a breakdown in the LSU medical staff and not just an ol’ football coach. That makes it even worse.
He was diagnosed in an appropriate amount of time. Where was the breakdown?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:59 pm to captdalton
quote:Any head coach or CEO is not on the hook for folks getting brain tumors. Zero responsibility. Now, if you produce something that says that Kelly circumvented the medical staff and did something contrary to their advice, and this delayed treatment that can be proven to lead to a bad outcome....yes. Until then, you should just stfu about it. It was a tragedy. Dont try to use it to advance some weird arse agenda. It is distasteful.
So you agree that the head coach has zero responsibility for the safety or health of players, that is 100% on the medical staff?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 5:59 pm to captdalton
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So this was a breakdown in the LSU medical staff and not just an ol’ football coach. That makes it even worse. Why are Louisiana hospitals and doctors always making headlines in regards to LSU football? LOL is an appropriate acronym for Our Lady of the Lake Medical Center.
It’s clear you are not very bright, but you are just embarrassing yourself. Maybe take a break.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:00 pm to captdalton
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Why are Louisiana hospitals and doctors always making headlines in regards to LSU football?
You have any other examples?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:02 pm to tigerfoot
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Dont try to use it to advance some weird arse agenda. It is distasteful.
captdalton is a very low IQ, trashy poster, as evidenced by this thread.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:06 pm to ukraine_rebel
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According to Brooks, Jr, he experienced the same symptoms on a daily basis and after 39 days, the team made an appointment with a neurologis
Problem #2, 39 days. A long time, the question here is did at any a physician see him and if so what was done.
So shouldn't his mom or dad said f that we are going to bring you to tje emergency room after even 10/15 days?
Wouldn't you have brought your kid in?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:07 pm to WylieTiger
I guess I am lucky that I was able to receive such fast care. I am surprised an average Joe like me in podunk Alabama received faster care than an SEC athlete.
If it is normal to take up to 9 months for a specialist to schedule a MRI for a patient exhibiting ongoing symptoms then our medical system really is broken.
If it is normal to take up to 9 months for a specialist to schedule a MRI for a patient exhibiting ongoing symptoms then our medical system really is broken.
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