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re: So, Bama fans, Sark or Lane as the best OC...
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:12 am to topcat88
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:12 am to topcat88
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Not having Lane didn’t lose that game. Y’all couldn’t get Clemson off the field.
Lane Kiffin would have definitely been good for another td, which would have won. He schemed and called around Hurts' lack of a downfield game all season. Sarkisian, on the other hand, was on the support staff and had less than a week to prepare for the game.
That was one of Saban's biggest mistakes at Alabama imo.
edit to say that Alabama really didn't need more points as much as just more sustained drives on offense, considering Clemson scored their last td in the last few seconds. I think UA had nine 3 and out series on offense. On the flip side Clemson had 7 points going into the 3rd quarter and 14 points going into the 4th, when the defense finally just gassed out. Clemson ran 99 plays in that game, directly related to the fact the Alabama offense could not sustain drives.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 9:33 am
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:21 am to BLG
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Lane Kiffin would have definitely been good for another td, which would have won.
This is speculation. Facts are Clemson controlled that game and pulled out the W. It was a good game but Clemson offensive game plan controlled it.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:23 am to topcat88
No 2016 Alabama had an elite defense. On 3rd downs in that game Alabama went 2-15. Not only did the offense barely move the ball in the second half, they turned it over qucikly too with several 3 and outs, so they were exhausting the defense. The three drives before Jalen scored what appeared to be the game winning touchdown were, pretty much 3 3 and outs. They gained 27 yards. If just one of those drives works out Clemson doesn't win and I think Lane would have made some better calls.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:23 am to mpwilging
Kiffin and it isn’t even close.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:26 am to topcat88
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Facts are Clemson controlled that game and pulled out the W. It was a good game but Clemson offensive game plan controlled it.
did you even watch the game? As edited above, Clemson had 7 points going into the 3rd quarter and 14 points going into the 4th quarter. UA was ahead 24-14 going into the 4th. The Alabama D finally gave out in the 4th quarter due to the UA offense lack of sustained drives. Clemson scored 3 tds in that last quarter to win by 4 points. So if you said Clemson controlled the 4th quarter you'd be right, but Clemson absolutely did not control the game till that point.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:33 am to BLG
They probably just don't remember it. They were actually the first team to shut Watson down like that in the first half. It would be as absurd as saying Alabama controlled 2017 UGA, we were extremely lucky to win that game and it took a lot of mistakes by UGA.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:33 am to BLG
NEITHER RAN ENOUGH
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:35 am to bamameister
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Jim McElwain
Steve Sarkisian
Brian Daboll
Lane Kiffin
Just when you think bamameister can't say anything dumber than he already has, he drops another gem
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:39 am to SidewalkTiger
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Just when you think bamameister can't say anything dumber than he already has, he drops another gem
Why is that? I understand we're living in the moment but Shark fricker was elite when you simply look at offensive efficiency and time of possession. Also called plays on back to back National Championship teams.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:40 am to macjonesgoat
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It would be as absurd as saying Alabama controlled 2017 UGA, we were extremely lucky to win that game and it took a lot of mistakes by UGA.
Right. Plus the common factor in the first half of the title game vs UGA (0 points) and the game vs CLemson the previous year was Jalen Hurts at qb. When Tagovailoa started the 2nd half vs UGA the offense changed dramatically.
Jalen's passing game and confidence in the passing game improved every year, but those first 2 years UA was pretty much 1 dimensional on offense. Without the jet sweeps and quick outs the passing game was not good.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:55 am to Quicksilver
frick Kiffin. That shitbag cost BAMA the 2014 and 2016 CFP Championships,
2014 with his dipshit play calling against OSU. In 2016 he was so shithoused at the Peach Bowl the Training Staff had to put him through the ringer.
Motherfricker is overrated.
2014 with his dipshit play calling against OSU. In 2016 he was so shithoused at the Peach Bowl the Training Staff had to put him through the ringer.
Motherfricker is overrated.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:22 am to bamabkj
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IMO Lane could dial up some things for some great match ups. But would forget to run sometimes and get pass happy.
Literally the only knock on Kiffin. Ohio State couldn't stop Derrick Henry and Lane decided to keep throwing it around the whole game.
Sark was guilty of the same thing vs Clemson. Scarborough goes down and he forgets about the 1000yd rusher on the bench in Damien Harris.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:26 am to topcat88
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Not having Lane didn’t lose that game. Y’all couldn’t get Clemson off the field.
Might want to check the third down conversions for Alabama in that game. The offense couldn’t stay on the field enough. Alabama’s defense was gassed. 99 plays.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:34 am to mpwilging
I think Sark ran a far more organized offense. He didn’t waste snaps.
The genius of Kiffin was his ability to set you up for a big play he had in the back pocket but it involved wasting snaps.
The thing that I have a hard time normalizing is QB quality differences between the two. I think Kiffin had to take that “waste a play to cash in later” strategy because he was coaching around mediocre or inexperienced quarterbacks. It is a lot easier to be in “call a potentially big play every play” mode when you trust your quarterback.
The genius of Kiffin was his ability to set you up for a big play he had in the back pocket but it involved wasting snaps.
The thing that I have a hard time normalizing is QB quality differences between the two. I think Kiffin had to take that “waste a play to cash in later” strategy because he was coaching around mediocre or inexperienced quarterbacks. It is a lot easier to be in “call a potentially big play every play” mode when you trust your quarterback.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:38 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Might want to check the third down conversions for Alabama in that game. The offense couldn’t stay on the field enough. Alabama’s defense was gassed. 99 plays.
Yeah, Alabama’s D was getting stops in the first half and into the 3rd quarter. Look at the box score. The problem is they’d give up a 6-7 play drive with no points, Clemson punts, and Alabama’s O would go 3 and out. Sark did not have a good game in his abrupt promotion to OC. He did not really grasp what Lane was doing to manufacture production out of Hurts within the offense.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:59 am to mpwilging
Briles.
Anyone could do it at bama.
Anyone could do it at bama.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:00 am to BLG
They controlled the game. They wore Bama down. Why do you think they were able to score three times in the fourth quarter. Lane Kiffin wouldn’t have mattered. Hurts couldn’t throw. Still can’t throw.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:03 am to mpwilging
Sark.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:25 am to mpwilging
Sark better QB developer and equal play caller.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:30 am to tide06
Not sure if you're against my point or for my point
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