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So, Bama fans, Sark or Lane as the best OC...
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:11 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:11 am
Genuinely curious. I like them both but always thought Kiffin was the man...
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:15 am to mpwilging
Sark - near perfect NC game
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:17 am to mpwilging
Sark but not by much
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:19 am to mpwilging
Sark had a lot more talent than lane. Lane has Jacon Coker and Blake sims at QB
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:24 am to hiremikeleach
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Sark had a lot more talent than lane. Lane has Jacon Coker and Blake sims at QB
And then Kiffin had Jalen Hurts his freshman year, when he had to gameplan and play call around Hurts' relative lack of a downfield passing game.
That said, Sarkisian may be the best play caller I've seen in college football, though yeah, he had some great players to call plays for.
I remember that rival fans and a lot of Alabama fans thought Kiffin and Sarkisian would fail.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:30 am to BLG
Both guys were excellent. I hope that both have success but not when they play Bama. Both have faced adversity and made a comeback with the help of others.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:35 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Jim McElwain
Steve Sarkisian
Brian Daboll
Lane Kiffin
Steve Sarkisian
Brian Daboll
Lane Kiffin
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:38 am to mpwilging
Not a bama fan but lane revolutionized their system. Sark kept it rolling.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:42 am to Oilfieldbiology
Lane can make something special out of nothing. Watch him at OM.
Sark, great mind, but I guess we'll see soon as he has a great opportunity w/the Horns...
Sark, great mind, but I guess we'll see soon as he has a great opportunity w/the Horns...
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:47 am to mpwilging
Lane turned a RB into an all conference passer, won a natty with Jake Coker (Derrick Henry helped), and damn near won another with a true freshman who was basically another RB playing QB at the time.
Pure wizardry. Sark had 2 first round QBs. Hard to compare the two.
Pure wizardry. Sark had 2 first round QBs. Hard to compare the two.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 8:49 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:50 am to hiremikeleach
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Sark had a lot more talent than lane. Lane has Jacon Coker and Blake sims at QB
Sark had the best offense in Alabama history last year, but had a lot more to work with than Lane ever did.
Lane usually had a 1st rd WR, an All-American RB, a top 5 OL and a mediocre QB.
Sark had 4 1st rd WRs, a 1st rd RB, one of the greatest OLs in college football history and two of the highest rated QBs ever to play.
What Sark did with them was like watching a high level orchestra conductor, but it would’ve been difficult to mess that offense up.
I can’t help but dock Lane points for never bringing in or developing a top 5 QB, but the raw ingredients were not equal and it makes it tough to compare. He did take Blake Sims to the playoffs, something I would’ve bet a lot of money wasn’t possible that offseason.
They are both outstanding OCs, probably the best offensive minds in college football outside Norman, OK.
I prefer Sark slightly just because he would always take what was there, while Lane had a tendency to have to show everyone he was the smartest guy in the stadium and would sometimes leave points on the field going for the home run bombs he knew would make sports center.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:52 am to Quicksilver
IMO Lane could dial up some things for some great match ups. But would forget to run sometimes and get pass happy.
Sark for me. Always seemed to keep it more balanced.
Sark for me. Always seemed to keep it more balanced.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:52 am to tide06
I know Lane left before he signed but he did a lot of the legwork with Tua didn’t he
Whether or not he was a top 5 QB at Bama, Jalen is a starter in the league and he was Lane’s guy.
Whether or not he was a top 5 QB at Bama, Jalen is a starter in the league and he was Lane’s guy.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 8:53 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:53 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Not a bama fan but lane revolutionized their system. Sark kept it rolling.
Kiffin's offense went sideways as often as vertical. It led the nation at getting beat at the point of attack. Even with Henry, it seldom stopped him from getting tackled behind the LOS.
Sark's 2020 version made a lot more sense than his 2019 attempt. The play-action along with constant motion, plus, developing an explosive offense out of 12 personnel (2 tight ends) was so much better than anything we have enjoyed during the spread era. We ran the ball when we wanted and we ran the ball in the money zone. It was the biggest difference in offensive philosophy if you want to run spread principles and still try to be a physical team.
And that ability to run downhill all year broke the opponent's will and had a positive effect on both sides of the LOS for the BAMA team.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:56 am to mpwilging
The Lane trane had less talent and called better games. Both had one championship, but Lane would have had two if he had just focused for one more week.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:00 am to macjonesgoat
Not having Lane didn’t lose that game. Y’all couldn’t get Clemson off the field.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:06 am to Quicksilver
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I know Lane left before he signed but he did a lot of the legwork with Tua didn’t he
Whether or not he was a top 5 QB at Bama, Jalen is a starter in the league and he was Lane’s guy.
Lane was pretty checked out his last year. You could tell it was not good behind closed doors. How much was Lane vs staff from a recruiting standpoint I don’t honestly know.
My primary point was that he certainly never coached Tua, so it’s impossible to know what he could’ve done with him if he and Sark had switched tenures.
To your second point, I love Jalen Hurts. Great heart, tough runner and wish him all the best. But he was next to non functional for portions of his career in Tuscaloosa against decent defenses from a passing standpoint. I can’t put him in the same category as Mac or Tua and their passing efficiency numbers will tell you why:
Jalen: 139 / 150 eff
Tua: 199 / 206
Mac: 203
The difference between 139 to 203 as a passer is basically going from Jordan Jefferson to Joe Burrow, it’s hard to overstate the impact that has on an offense when a QB is operating in the 200s or how limited you can be at times on the other end of the spectrum.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 9:08 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:07 am to topcat88
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Not having Lane didn’t lose that game. Y’all couldn’t get Clemson off the field.
It wasn't even that, we outgained Clemson and was inside their 25...five times and scored 10 points.
ETA: Got my years mixed up, yeah we couldn't stop DeSean.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 9:15 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:07 am to tide06
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Sark had... two of the highest rated QBs ever to play.
slight correction: Sarkisian had the 2 highest rated qbs ever in college football, but of course Sarkisian had some to do with that
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Rk Player Rate From To School
1 Tua Tagovailoa* 199.4 2017 2019 Alabama
2 Mac Jones* 197.6 2018 2020 Alabama
3 Kyler Murray* 181.3 2015 2018 Oklahoma
4 Justin Fields* 178.8 2018 2020 Ohio State
5 Sam Bradford* 175.6 2007 2009 Oklahoma
6 Baker Mayfield* 175.4 2013 2017 Oklahoma
7 Dwayne Haskins* 174 2017 2018 Ohio State
8 Joe Burrow* 172.4 2015 2019 LSU
9 Marcus Mariota* 171.8 2012 2014 Oregon
10 Tim Tebow* 170.8 2006 2009 Florida
Posted on 6/19/21 at 9:10 am to macjonesgoat
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The Lane trane had less talent and called better games. Both had one championship, but Lane would have had two if he had just focused for one more week.
Lane Kiffin had plenty of talent on offense. From Amari Cooper, Calvin Ridley, Adarius Stewart, Damian Harris, Derrick Henry, Kenyan Drake, Bo Scarbrough, etc. He also enjoyed the best defensive personnel of the Nick Saban era. Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster, Reggie Ragland, Minkah Fritzptrick, bunch. Given that, he almost didn't have the one win we got in 2015 in that Clemson game that turned into nothing short of a trackmeet.
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