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re: So, Bama fans, Sark or Lane as the best OC...

Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by HighTide_ATL
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:58 pm to
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Well that isn't true.


Battle
Young
Eboigbe
Dale
Harris
Lee

All started (or played significantly depending on starting package) throughout 2019. Bama was ravaged by injuries on defense very early and it continued to plague them throughout the season. Same ppl complaining about opt outs in 2020 seem to forget this about 2019.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 4:59 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:07 pm to
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Last year Sark got completely outclassed by Joe Brady...



WTF are you even talking about? You know that Sark wasn't calling plays against Brady, right? Or have you only been following college football for about 2 weeks?

Sark put 41 points on the board. Now if you wanted to say that Pete Golding was outclassed by Joe Brady, you'd have an argument.

But Sark?

Posted by C W
Member since Mar 2020
2686 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:46 pm to
I kind of doubt Crimson Clover is actually an Alabama fan. Or maybe just some casual female fan that wants everybody to like her
Posted by Bobbydigit0311
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:28 pm to
Well said
Posted by HighTide_ATL
Member since Aug 2020
1898 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:37 pm to
You forgot Eboigbe and Young, who both started in various games throughout 2019 due to Ray getting injured early
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52356 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:41 pm to
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The Tua fumble was At the LSU 8. There’s a fair chance he runs it in for a TD and a better chance hits the open DeVonta Smith for a TD.


You've never actually watched that play then.

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 the very least it is a PAT distance FG. 


3 points wasn't the difference in the game, plus nothing is a given with Alabama kickers.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52356 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:43 pm to
quote:

Battle
Young
Eboigbe
Dale
Harris
Lee

All started (or played significantly depending on starting package) throughout 2019. Bama was ravaged by injuries on defense very early and it continued to plague them throughout the season. Same ppl complaining about opt outs in 2020 seem to forget this about 2019.


Now do the true freshman that actually started vs LSU.

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52356 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:47 pm to
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By the time of the game, injuries had pushed true freshmen Christian Harris, Jordan Battle, DJ Dale, and Shane Lee into starting roles. Brady and Burrow had them (particularly the linebackers) for lunch.


Just judging from what I've read, it's likely Harris, Battle, and Dale would've been starting injuries or not.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 7:35 pm to
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Just judging from what I've read, it's likely Harris, Battle, and Dale would've been starting injuries or not.


Harris and Lee were replacing Dylan Moses and Josh McMillon. Harris would have played but not started. Lee, after an entire year of experience, made 2 tackles last season. I'll let that answer his readiness as a true freshman.

Dale may have started, but he had to play a ton more because of the injury to LyBryan Ray. Dale's been good against the run, pass rush was a different story.

Battle's the only one who likely got the same amount of time he would have if the injuries didn't happen.

It is what it is, injuries happen. We had them, LSU exploited them, which is what you're supposed to do. Just like with your guys that opted out and quit mid-season last year, sometimes you hit a bad luck streak that all the coaching and heart in the world simply can't overcome.

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Now do the true freshman that actually started vs LSU.


You're a good poster, so you probably already know, but the ones I listed are the ones that started vs LSU.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 7:38 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5885 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 7:42 pm to
2019 was a fluky bad season w/r/t injuries for Alabama. I think one of Alabama’s best defenses would’ve struggled to stop LSU’s 2019 offense though. Of course, Alabama didn’t even need one of their best defenses…they just needed their offense to not shite the bed in the first half.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 7:58 pm to
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You forgot Eboigbe and Young, who both started in various games throughout 2019 due to Ray getting injured early


They didn't start against LSU, which was the topic. I went to the box score and pulled the ones that started that game.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52356 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:30 pm to
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Harris and Lee were replacing Dylan Moses and Josh McMillon. Harris would have played but not started. Lee, after an entire year of experience, made 2 tackles last season. I'll let that answer his readiness as a true freshman.


I think Harris beats out McMillon so I think he would've started regardless.

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You're a good poster, so you probably already know, but the ones I listed are the ones that started vs LSU.


I agree with your list, just replied to the other guy before I saw yours.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 8:31 pm
Posted by HighTide_ATL
Member since Aug 2020
1898 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:14 am to
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Harris and Lee were replacing Dylan Moses and Josh McMillon. Harris would have played but not started. Lee, after an entire year of experience, made 2 tackles last season. I'll let that answer his readiness as a true freshman.

Dale may have started, but he had to play a ton more because of the injury to LyBryan Ray. Dale's been good against the run, pass rush was a different story.

Battle's the only one who likely got the same amount of time he would have if the injuries didn't happen.


I'm assuming you think Harris wouldn't have started due to package? IIRC there were very few scenarios where Harris would've left the field, let alone not started. Dale was already starter next to Ray prior to Ray getting injured. Ray was backed up by Eboigbe and Young in the first listed depth chart.

Like I said, it all depends on package which group you were going to see. Since Ray was injured game 3, both Young and Eboigbe had already started games leading up to LSU. Harris and Lee had essentially started every game leading up to LSU. Battle started depending on package, but played significantly in every game leading up to LSU.

That being said, I took the 2-3min it requires to search for the replay of the game and see who was on the field.

Dale, Lee, Harris and Battle were all on field in the opening package. Bama opted for nickel with Lewis and Jennings (both OLBs) stacked next to each other leaving Davis at the other DE spot. If they went with 3 DL, it would've been either Young or Eboigbe on field.

This is why my original comment was "Brady had the benefit of planning against a defense with over half the positions manned by true freshmen."

1-2 DE, NG, MLB, WLB, S all had true Fr that had started multiple games by the time Bama played LSU, which means Brady most likely would've planned to face this personnel.

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It is what it is, injuries happen. We had them, LSU exploited them, which is what you're supposed to do. Just like with your guys that opted out and quit mid-season last year, sometimes you hit a bad luck streak that all the coaching and heart in the world simply can't overcome.


Exactly. You play who you have available. Doesn't really matter why they're available or not...it just is what it is.

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They didn't start against LSU, which was the topic. I went to the box score and pulled the ones that started that game.


I didn't say they started against LSU. There was good a chance at least one of them would've, but we started with a different look.

Again my original comment was that "over half" the defense was being manned by true fr. Since I forgot Young/Eboigbe were rotating the same position, I'll accept that technically I was wrong since 5 isn't "over half." Original post edited for accuracy.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 1:00 pm
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