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re: SIAP: "Tide's latest national title deserves an asterisk"

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Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:03 am to
bullshite. Bama knocked his arse out of the game just like they did Jefferson this year. That's what a defense is SUPPOSE to do. No asterick.
Posted by show me your TDs
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:04 am to
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Does this mean Tennessee's was a joke cause they played againast a QB that didn't even start in high school?



if you are referring to Marcus Outzen then you are mistaken. I played ball with Marcus in HS at FWB and we won the state title with him his senior year and he was the starting QB.
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:05 am to
It's not like he slipped in the shower before the game and got hurt. He got knocked out of the game, and that's part of the game. The notion that this somehow makes the win illegitimate is asinine. It's a physical sport, if you hit the other guy hard enough, it changes his thinking and his behavior. Sometimes you even knock him out of the game. If so, good for you.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:06 am to
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Our defense still would have stood tall, and maybe we wouldn't have closed down the playbook for two quarters.

That is certainly a possibility, but then Texas' playbook was essentially thrown out the window when McCoy went out. If he had stayed in, we would've had a helluva lot of more options to choose from. Texas pretty much shut Bama down in the 2nd half until the fumble and INT by Gilbert.

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Texas might have won the game, but they didn't. Bama didn't cheat to win. They just did what it took.

True. I never said that Bama cheated. The hit on McCoy wasn't malicious in nature and was totally legal.

Posted by TT9
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:07 am to
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if you are referring to Marcus Outzen then you are mistaken. I played ball with Marcus in HS at FWB and we won the state title with him his senior year and he was the starting QB.
he never saw the field at FSU till that game....
Posted by show me your TDs
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:09 am to
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he never saw the field at FSU till that game....


right but your original post said HS...just making it clear is all..

side note: he was recruited to play S originally though, he was not a great passer in HS but a hell of a runner
Posted by ndtiger
vicksburg, ms
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:11 am to
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PASADENA, Calif. -- Congratulations to the University of Alabama for winning the 2010 BCS national championship.*

Yes, that's an asterisk. If there was ever a title winner that deserved one, it's Alabama. Go ahead and stomp your feet and cry and pout 'Bama Nation (the death threats start in three, two, one ...) but it's true.

Alabama had this game gift-wrapped when arguably the best quarterback in college football was lost to a shoulder injury just five plays into the contest. It was a chaotic piece of fate tied together with a nice little bow for the Crimson Tide. Gifts after Christmas are always nice.

The final 37-21 score is highly deceiving. The game was much closer and there's no question if Colt McCoy had played, this contest would've featured a completely different texture. If he'd been able to finish, the Longhorns might've won by 10 points.

Alabama won the game but McCoy's broken shoulder is the co-champion. After that stunning injury, all the Crimson Tide had to do was stand over a half-dead body and wait for it to expire.

"It certainly changed the game," said Nick Saban of the hit on McCoy.

"After Colt got hurt, we were obviously limited in what we could do," Mack Brown said.

The Texas coach added even more to Dennis Dodd of CBSSports.com, explaining the Longhorns would've easily beaten Alabama with a healthy McCoy. Brown is right. McCoy said on several different occasions in interviews after the game that the Longhorns were about to dominate and would have had he not been injured. He's right, too.

These aren't Texas coaches and players being bad losers. This is the reality of the game.

We'll just never know how good this Alabama team truly is. We'll never, ever know because of McCoy's absence. Indeed, it's possible there's never been a luckier championship team since the BCS format was adopted.

For all practical purposes after McCoy went down, the contest was basically over. McCoy's replacement, Garret Gilbert, would go on to complete 1 of 10 passes for -2 yards in the first half. It's not Gilbert's fault. Just a short time ago, Gilbert's biggest concern was what color he should wear to his high school prom. One busted McCoy shoulder later and he's facing Saban's defense.

Congratulate Alabama? I guess. If we must.

Winning is winning, some will say, and that's true. Alabama's victory still feels asterisked because they didn't get the Longhorns' best. Instead they got some sort of faux carbon copy.

Injuries are a part of the sport but when the starting quarterback, the most important player on the Texas team, is lost so early, it completely throws off the competitive balance of the contest. There's no way to truly tell which is the better team.

Alabama's defense was the difference maker but much of the rest of the Crimson Tide team was unspectacular even with McCoy's absence. Alabama's quarterback, Greg McElroy, was a non-factor, throwing for 58 yards. Running back Mark Ingram was solid but not eye popping and missed a chunk of the game with his own injury. The Alabama defense was very good but it didn't face McCoy, and Gilbert completed just 15 of 40 passes and threw four interceptions. The Alabama special teams unit was a disaster.

Early on, the Longhorns had Alabama discombobulated. Saban tried a disastrous fake punt that failed. As the offense became bogged down, some Alabama players started to argue among themselves. One Crimson Tide player had to step between fellow teammates James Carpenter and Mike Johnson who were yelling at each other after a busted play. Wide receiver Marquis Maze had words for McElroy (and others) after another moment of miscommunication.

This was also not one of Saban's better days. He made some -- ahem -- curious calls. The fake kick was one and Saban early in the game changed the Alabama offense to a more wide open style instead of emphasizing Ingram. Later in the game, Saban tried a long kick, up 24-13, instead of pinning Texas deep in its own territory.

Then Gilbert actually started moving the ball (slightly) late in the game. Here was a freshman figuring out Saban even if that moment was fleeting.

Saban has won two titles at two different schools. He's likely moved past Urban Meyer as the best coach in college football right now, even if his coaching performance against the Longhorns wasn't exactly Bear Bryant-ish.

He deserves credit for that and Saban will get it in the coming months. This won't be the last time we hear from Saban or his team. The Crimson Tide will be a force for some time as long as Saban stays.

He'll first be remembered for bringing glory back to Alabama by winning another Crimson Tide national championship.*


actually this article is very accurate
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:13 am to
You won the game, but don't think that the world didn't notice the great gift that was handed to you. All championship teams have levels of luck that assist them in their getting to or winning the big game. But I doubt that any team has had the game handed to them on a silver platter (until last night).
Posted by bamaboy87
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:17 am to

Posted by Big Fat
"Fear the Hat" returns 2010
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:19 am to
You'll keep hearing bullshite like this forever. Noone has ever won a NC without some douche bag saying it was "Yea, but....". frick em. Enjoy.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24266 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:20 am to
Does the article mention that we gave the ball to them inside our own territory two possesion in a row and they didnt get it in the endzone. Truth is outside of 2 broken coverages and one FANTASTIC move by Shiple(stud) our defense shut them down. Colt was in on that first drive and wasnt that third down he failed to convert and they would have settled for a fg on that drive anyway? I cant remember what down he was hurt on.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:20 am to
I will just say, McCoy getting knocked out was very unfortunate. It took away what I believe would have been a great game before it was even played. The game that happened last night was not what I wanted to see. The third quarter was the worst in a championship game ever. Texas couldn't move the ball and Bama was trying to run out the clock early in the third.

Impossible to say who would have won if McCoy played. I just feel a bit dissappointed that I didn't get to see the game I wanted to see between the two top teams in football. I think it would have been epic.
Posted by Bankshot
Member since Jun 2006
5375 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:22 am to
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he never saw the field at FSU till that game


Didn't he start against Florida that year after Weinke went down?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36113 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Does the article mention that we gave the ball to them inside our own territory two possesion in a row and they didnt get it in the endzone. Truth is outside of 2 broken coverages and one FANTASTIC move by Shiple(stud) our defense shut them down. Colt was in on that first drive and wasnt that third down he failed to convert and they would have settled for a fg on that drive anyway? I cant remember what down he was hurt on.


I'd stick to, "We won" and avoid the rationalizations.
Posted by RlTde2
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:25 am to
I just posted a thread about the same thing.

They can't just give credit where credit is due. You know why? Because to a lot of the Media homers we are still being stereotyped as "Not Really deserving" over their annnointed Prima Donnas such as ND Ohio State USC Texas and possibly still Florida.

This is nothing new to longtime Bama fans like me. This was even worse in the 70's.

When Pat Sullivan won the Heisman for Auburn. Ten minutes after Pat won, This CBS Sports guy puts on Ed Marinaro the runner up complaining HE should have won it. What kind of shite is this I'm thinking then?

That's why I get a big rush everytime we beat these OOC puss's.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36148 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:25 am to
Winning a national title isn't asterix material

Unless you claim one on an 8-3 season or something





Anyway, I doubt those writers gave an asterix to the games where OU lost this year after Bradford got hurt... including the BYU game when it took place
Posted by musick
the internet
Member since Dec 2008
26126 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:26 am to
Congrats Bama.

But this is on par if Drew Brees / Peyton Manning were in the super bowl and got hurt on the first drive.

Just taints the win, but its still a win.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24266 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:27 am to
I agree hat eit happened to McCoy just because of his character but I dont feel it tainted the win. We were down probably one of the top 5 LB in the nation for most of the season and one of our better DL as well. Bama had to overcome a lot to even get there. Not that I contributed but I was very proud of this team.
Posted by musick
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26126 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:39 am to
Does UT win the title in 2005 if Heisman runner up Vince Young gets hurt in the first series?
Posted by RlTde2
Pace Florida
Member since Nov 2008
4664 posts
Posted on 1/8/10 at 10:40 am to
Brown..If it wasen't for low class he'd have no class at all.

Saban gave him a supply of Dreamland Bar-b-Q 2 days ago. I hope he laced it with Ex-lax. Brown would be spending some time in the Boy's Room with that well known Russian Disease..The "Trotskys" LOL
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