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re: Saw an interesting post on Reddit that shows lack of parity in today’s CFB is overblown
Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:29 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:29 pm to RD Dawg
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In FB? Those folks detest FB along with "toxic masculinity"
They'd gladly sacrifice those opportunities for young black males if they were shifted over to females or transgender "athletes"
Would they really? With all the talk of race in this sport (and society at large) it doesn't seem likely at all that they'll concede to screwing over black kids even to help females and transgenders.
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:34 pm to StringedInstruments
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The biggest issue with college football parity right now is the disparity between perceptive value of games connected to the playoff and games not connected to the playoff. The bowls are worthless. Rivalry games don’t mean much anymore. Even conference championships have had issues with being worthless because one competing team could still make the playoff even if they lose.
Yeeeeeeeeeeep
Add in the conference realignment that destroyed a lot of rivalries and traditional games and you've got the NFL blandness without the NFL system.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:44 pm to Bench McElroy
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During the BCS era, there were 26 different programs that finished ranked in the top 4 in the final regular season polls. That’s basically 1.625 different teams a year.
This math is pretty biased against the BCS era because the longer it goes the more repeats you get. Alabama counting in ‘99 then not counting a decade later is a dumb way to consider parity. If Oregon makes a playoff again, I’d consider them new blood but the formula would not.
To make it unbiased you’d have to do 7 years vs 7 years. Otherwise the first year creating four “new” teams favors the system that has existed less time.
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Again, not much of a difference. The top four teams in the recruiting rankings have signed a similar share of four and five star recruits today than they were doing the BCS era.
I’d be curious at just seeing five stars. There’s where I feel like there’s been a difference.
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So that has caused a perception in less parity than years past even though that hasn’t been the case.
I don’t know. The BCS never had the same title game. A ton more teams go undefeated in the regular season now too.
The fact that the playoff sucks all of the media’s attention contributes as well.
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:46 pm to Bench McElroy
Did anyone see Chrissy Fowler crying about Alabama from his penthouse apartment?
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And by the way, is anyone calling for Tom B to retire because we are sick of seeing him in the Super Bowl?
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And by the way, is anyone calling for Tom B to retire because we are sick of seeing him in the Super Bowl?
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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you've got the NFL blandness
Not sure I'd use the word "bland" if I'm comparing NFL to CFB especially watching the playoffs.
CFB has now turned into glorified flag FB with officials that have completely neutered the defenses.They rarely call OL holding,DB's cannot touch a receiver and targeting is called at the drop of a hat.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:05 pm to Bench McElroy
Rule changes to gain greater parity only work until other schools maximize efficiencies in the new system to exploit their own areas of competitive advantage. Then, the cream rises again to the top and everyone on the outside looking in will want more changes.
From an old Husker board post of a guy looking at how often a team may have possibly made a 4 team CFP between 1936-2012 using AP and BCS poll data as a guide.
Surprise! There are familiar faces at the top and a big gap between the upper and lower groups.
From an old Husker board post of a guy looking at how often a team may have possibly made a 4 team CFP between 1936-2012 using AP and BCS poll data as a guide.
Surprise! There are familiar faces at the top and a big gap between the upper and lower groups.
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AP poll data from 1936-1997 and BCS poll data from 1998-2011 in determining teams ranked 1-4 in a playoff format.
Assuming a 4-team playoff was instituted in 1936 to the present day, Nebraska would've played in 11 "Final Fours" ---> 1965, 1970, 1971, 1982, 1983, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001.
Below are numbers for other schools.
Oklahoma - 25
Alabama - 21
Ohio State - 20
Notre Dame - 16
Michigan - 15
Texas - 14
USC - 12
Miami - 12
Tennessee - 11
Nebraska - 11
Florida State - 11
Penn State - 9
Georgia - 9
LSU - 8
Michigan State - 7
Pittsburgh - 6
Florida - 6
Navy - 5
Army - 5
Auburn - 5
Minnesota - 4
Iowa - 4
UCLA - 4
California - 3
TCU - 3
Texas A&M - 3
Stanford - 3
Georgia Tech - 3
Maryland - 3
Illinois - 3
Mississippi - 3
Arkansas - 3
Washington - 3
Colorado - 3
Oregon - 2
Duke - 2
Wisconsin - 2
Indiana - 2
SMU - 2
Syracuse - 2
West Virginia - 2
Virginia Tech - 2
North Carolina - 1
Tulsa - 1
Oklahoma State - 1
Clemson - 1
BYU - 1
Northwestern - 1
Arizona State - 1
Kansas State - 1
Cincinnati - 1
Utah - 1
Fordham - 1
Cornell - 1
Iowa Navy Pre-Flight - 1
Randolph Field - 1
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:08 pm to RD Dawg
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Not sure I'd use the word "bland" if I'm comparing NFL to CFB especially watching the playoffs.
Not compared to the NFL, necessarily, but compared to what it used to be.
Teams cared about winning the league, beating their rivals, etc. Fans still "care" about that, but it doesn't carry nearly as much weight as it used to - especially for those that feel like they have a shot at winning a national title (a group that has grown from 15-20 to 75% of the P5). Throw in schools that have lost all of their old rivals (Missouri, Nebraska, Pitt, West Virginia, Texas A&M, Colorado) and a whole lot of the old fabric has been ripped away.
The SEC Title game is treated simply as a way to get to the playoff instead of a great achievement to be celebrated.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:18 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Are you suggesting that UGA isn't a top 5 program?
I won't suggest UGA isn't a top 5 program. I'll say it. UGA is NOT a top 5 program currently. Besides the 4 already mentioned I would add Norte Dame to the list.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:24 pm to ljhog
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Besides the 4 already mentioned I would add Norte Dame to the list.
The team UGA beat in '17 and '19?
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:26 pm to Che Boludo
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Iowa Navy Pre-Flight
I have so many questions.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:28 pm to Yellerhammer5
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I have so many questions.
World War II should answer most of them
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The 1942 Iowa Pre-Flight Seahawks football team represented the United States Navy pre-flight aviation training school at the University of Iowa as an independent
They played from 1942-1944, played basically all road games and went 26-5 playing against basically the Big 8 and Big Ten.
Their only losses were
1942 @ Notre Dame (28-0)
1942 @ Ohio State (41-12)
1942 @ Missouri (7-0)
1943 @ Notre Dame (14-13)
1944 @ Michigan (12-7)
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:40 pm to ljhog
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I won't suggest UGA isn't a top 5 program. I'll say it. UGA is NOT a top 5 program currently. Besides the 4 already mentioned I would add Norte Dame to the list.
The team who keeps losing playoff games in blowout fashion and is 0-2 vs UGA in the last 4 years? Interesting choice.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:42 pm to viceman
quote:I say this every time this subject comes up. College football has been and always will be cyclical.
So it is usually a few teams that dominate in an era. Just different teams in different eras.
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 2/7/21 at 1:54 pm to Bench McElroy
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Saw an interesting post on Reddit that shows lack of parity in today’s CFB is overblown
Define parity. There are 80-100 teams in college football that will never see the playoffs in your lifetime.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:00 pm to AUCE05
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We are moving towards a reducing in scholarships and conference championship requirements for playoff entry. Can't wait for the Gump melt.
Melt??? Are you crazy? Go ahead and reduce those scholarships. We'll add hockey, since we kick your asses on the ice also.
As of 2018..." This will be the team’s 20th meeting with Auburn, a matchup Alabama has never lost."
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:06 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Eh, I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I see what you're saying but my red and black glasses don't agree
No harm in that but I’m not trying to argue that Georgia definitely is not a top 5 program just that by some metrics you could argue they’re not quite there.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:11 pm to Priapus
You make the playoffs still? The slide from 2 to 3 must be devastating to their base.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:17 pm to ThereGoesHerschel
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Even in the 90s with a florida, tennessee, fsu, etc they might slip up to an inferior team now and then. Compare that to present day alabama. You think there's any chance in absolute frick that a cincinnati or a wisconsin is gonna stay within 30?
This part is entirely untrue. In 2014, NC winner Ohio State lost to 8–5/unranked Virginia tech by two TDs. #2 Oregon lost to. 10–4/#19 Arizona. #4 Alabama lost to 9–4/#17 Ole Miss.
In 2015, NC winner Alabama lost to 10–3/#10 Ole Miss. #5 (but #4 in playoffs) Oklahoma lost to 5–7 Texas. #6 (but #3 in playoffs) Michigan State lost to 6–7 Nebraska.
In 2016, NC winner Clemson lost to 8–5/unranked Pittsburgh.
In 2017, NC winner Alabama lost to 10–4/#10 Auburn. Runner-up Georgia lost to the same team. #3 Oklahoma lost to 8–5/unranked Iowa State. #4 Clemson lost to 4–8 Syracuse.
In 2019, #6 (but #4 in playoffs) Oklahoma lost to 8–5/unranked Kansas State.
In happens basically every year. The problem is regardless of any regular season slip-ups, the same handful of teams keep making the top four and people are sick of it. Clemson and Alabama have each appeared in six of the seven playoffs, and that accounts for half of all teams represented. Ohio State and Oklahoma have each appeared in four of the seven. Three of the four spots have been accompanied by a combination of three of those four teams in all years but one. 75% of the playoffs are Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Clemson.
In the first seven years of the BCS, no team was represented in the top four more than three times.
Alabama: 6
Clemson: 6
Ohio State: 4
Oklahoma: 4
vs.
Florida State: 3
USC: 3
Miami: 3
Oklahoma: 3
People aren't just imagining things. Seeing Clemson, Alabama, one of Ohio State/Oklahoma, and then a lucky fourth team (An undeserving Notre Dame twice) in the playoffs every single year is getting beyond old and predictable.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:31 pm to VagueMessage
There will never be parity, if the NFL is a standard. Only 4 of the 32 teams have never played in a Super Bowl, and the Lions are the only franchise remaining from the merger that hasn't played in a Super Bowl. The vast majority of college football teams will never make the playoffs in any of our lifetimes.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:41 pm to VagueMessage
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In the first seven years of the BCS, no team was represented in the top four more than three times.
The first 7 years of the BCS (1998-2004) were a period where there was no long-standing dominant team. The end of the FSU/Florida dominance, the brief Miami dominance, the start of the USC dominance.
The SEC is not all that different than it has been. Since 2013 the SEC has had 4 different SEC Champions, 4 different teams in national title games, 2 different national champions, and a host of other teams that were 1 win away from the national title game/playoff (A&M, Florida, Missouri). Alabama is in the middle of probably the greatest 15 year run in college football history, and yet the SEC has STILL seen 2 other teams win national titles (Auburn, LSU) and 2 others play for national titles (Georgia, Auburn).
The reasons for the lack of parity solely exist because of the other 4 Power 5 conferences and their inability to have more than 1 (or 1 at all in the P12) program that can produce a national title caliber season/team:
- The P12 is basically nonexistent on the national stage
- The B1G is dominated by Ohio State (4 straight B1G titles)
- The ACC is dominated by Clemson (6 straight ACC titles)
- The B12 is dominated by Oklahoma (5 straight BXII titles, 8 of the last 9)
Alabama is in the middle of the aforementioned run, and Alabama has only won 2 of the last 3 and 5 of the last 7 SEC Titles. The 2 teams that won SEC titles in the other years went on to play in the national title game (2017 Georgia, 2019 LSU). The winner of the SEC Title Game has played in every national championship game since 2006. The SEC has, across the upper level of the conference, put up legitimate resistance to Alabama's run. None of the other leagues can say the same to their best team (Ohio State, Clemson).
Until the P12 wakes up and somebody in the B1G/B12/ACC steps up, we will keep seeing Ohio State and Clemson every single season.
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 2:48 pm
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