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re: Report: Vanderbilt alleged rape victim says the rape never happened
Posted on 2/23/14 at 8:40 pm to the808bass
Posted on 2/23/14 at 8:40 pm to the808bass
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Did they talk to her in the street or schedule a sit down interview?
I don't think she's even talked to the press. What I know for certain is this: the local news media sued to get access to evidence. Metro, the DA, and Vanderbilt have all kept what they knew out of the media's hands. That lawsuit by the media was for the release of case info. which is where this story probably originates.
IOW, I think what's happened here is that they got the case files and are running with initial police interviews/reports to create a story. It's just very misleading the way it's been written and headlined.
We've been expecting more news on the case soon because of the lawsuit to get access to files.
This post was edited on 2/23/14 at 8:42 pm
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Posted on 2/23/14 at 8:42 pm to Prof
So almost exactly what I thought.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 8:42 pm to VandyGold21
From the link
ETA:Just so we are clear here, I am not in anyway pretending to know what did or didn't happen. What is very obvious is that someone IS lying.
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The Tennessean does not identify people police say have been victims of sex crimes. The woman has declined to speak to The Tennessean, worried that speaking out could harm the prosecution of the four players.
ETA:Just so we are clear here, I am not in anyway pretending to know what did or didn't happen. What is very obvious is that someone IS lying.
This post was edited on 2/23/14 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 2/23/14 at 8:43 pm to Prof
Yep... these dudes need to be in prison.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 8:43 pm to Prof
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I don't think she's even talked to the press. What I know for certain is this: the local news media sued to get access to evidence. Metro, the DA, and Vanderbilt have all kept what they knew out of the media's hands. That lawsuit by the media was for the release of case info. which is where this story probably originates.
IOW, I think what's happened here is that they got the case files and are running with initial police interviews/reports to create a story. It's just very misleading the way it's been written and headlined.
We've been expecting more news on the case soon because of the lawsuit to get access to files.
Makes sense. But it certainly is worth questioning what they wanted to keep out of the media's hands.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 8:49 pm to BluegrassBelle
For the victim's sake they should give the media as little as possible.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:13 pm to crimsonsaint
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For the victim's sake they should give the media as little as possible.
Well the victims in this case might be changing.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:14 pm to crimsonsaint
1. Is the story from fox news?
If yes, then it's bullshite
If yes, then it's bullshite
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:21 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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Well the victims in this case might be changing.
Lol.
No.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:25 pm to the808bass
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Lol.
No
So if she wasn't raped, wouldn't the accused be the victims? I don't know why that is hard to understand. Or are you saying she is not telling the truth now?
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:28 pm to Bho
Yes. If she wasn't raped, then the victims are the accused rapists. This is a news story based upon the police reports, as I understand it. There's no new information for the police here and yet the DA had plenty of evidence to pursue rape charges.
Have women denied they were raped when they were raped?
Have women denied they were raped when they were raped?
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Makes sense. But it certainly is worth questioning what they wanted to keep out of the media's hands.
Indeed. I would expect it is something very ugly about the case. I seem to remember someone connected with the case being interviewed as saying it was just disgusting and horrible and the investigation had uncovered things that weren't appropriate for the media to report.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:45 pm to semotruman
There are rumors of racial stuff on the video. But just rumors to this point.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:52 pm to the808bass
Yeah, I remember hearing something about that. But the guy wouldn't elaborate. And he shouldn't.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:52 pm to the808bass
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Have women denied they were raped when they were raped?
She didn't know she'd been raped. She found out later -- that's how intoxicated she was. They were carrying her in and they text messaged other players to come and help them carry her out. A person who worked at Vanderbilt was reviewing surveillance footage because of a separate incident that night, saw the video them in the hall with her and reported what they saw to VPD. VPD investigated it and then turned it over to Nashville Metro.
So of course, when police knock on her door to ask her about being raped and she doesn't remember any such thing happening she's going say nothing happened/deny it (she didn't know). However, typically once told and even going through the questioning process memories get jarred and little bits of memory start coming back and/or things that she already remembered start making sense. And of course, there's the surveillance footage, text messages, Vandenburg's recordings of what happened, and other evidence.
In this case, it's not that she was lying - she didn't know and her 'denial' was based on not knowing. It's slimy for this tv news channel to portray things the way they have. I've gotten used to reading sloppy stories from TV news sites online (they're using 18 year old interns to write their web content) but with a case like this there's an automatic extra level of care should go into reporting anything on it.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 10:15 pm to the808bass
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There are rumors of racial stuff on the video. But just rumors to this point.
That was from an official who'd seen the tape - IIRC, the DA but it may have been an LEO. At any rate, I don't exactly consider it a rumor because the person who said that was someone in authority who had seen the tape. As Semo mentioned, they wouldn't elaborate. And yes, what's on the tapes and surveillance is said to be awful.
I have my own theories about the sort of fantasy a guy like Vandenberg (white) who was the ringleader in all of this may well have been playing out and if they're anything close to what happened the DA describing any of it to the press would be wrong/unethical and not just for her sake either. As a Tennessean, I want my state playing by the rules even with creeps like this and a DA saying too much tips the scales of justice too far against a fair trial. Vandenberg and crew deserve a fair trial and there's no reason to contaminate the jury pool ahead of time with evidence that is so inflammatory. If the DA started spilling everything in the press before trial, that would create a biased jury, limit the ability to put a jury together, might force the trial to another part of the state like East or West, TN and depending on how bad it is even give them grounds for an appeal against a conviction.
All parties, the victim, the accused, and the citizens of the state, are better served by the DA saying as little as possible before trial.
The news media is freer to report on their own what they learn but there's no way they get access to the tapes prior to trial - text messages and transcripts of interviews and other documents yes but not the the tapes.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 10:58 pm to The_Barn_Identity
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Serious question... how do you get so damn drunk that you can't remember a college football team running a train on you?
Getting blackout drunk happens a lot more than it used to because college kids are binge drinking and since the legal age is 21 and enforcement has gotten stricter at places like convenience stores where kids were able to buy booze (almost every town used to have one that high schoolers could buy from on the sly) some have never experimented with it in high school which means they have zero experience before being thrown into a party atmosphere and encouraged to drink as much as possible. It's easy for them to miscalculate their intake. Bars are also serving up things like jello shots and shots with energy drinks mixed in as well - all things that are easy to consume a lot of alcohol quickly and grab a few more before you 'feel' any effect. More than one bar in Nashville will send those shots to girls for free in order to get the 'party' going. The energy drink shot combo also gives the false sense of being less drunk and so people drink more. There's been no reason given but the specific bar where the drinking happened is now off limits to all Vandy athletes.
I haven't heard anything to indicate any drugs but it's also possible a date rape drug was used. They're notoriously hard to detect because they get out of your system so quickly. Also recreational drugs + booze could cause that.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 5:53 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Because if she truly believes she wasn't raped,
I don't think she really remembers what happened. I think it is possible she saying she wasn't raped because she wants the matter dropped. She never came out with a strong stance because her knowledge of the night was embarrassingly lacking.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:10 pm to wmr
quote:No, rape is sex without mutual consent. If the girl was too drunk when the sex happened, she can't legally have given consent.
Rape is being forced to have sex against your will.
Obviously, drunken sex happens all the time, especially in college, so the consent issue here is complicated. 99% of the time, both parties absolutely wanted it to happen and gave consent. Still, in many states, inebriation can be enough to claim lack of consent. If the girl was passed and on video, that is enough to file charges regardless of the victim stepping forward.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:42 pm to beaver
The headline is intentionally misleading.
1- The girl did not say the rape never took place.
2- Teh video from the fox station never even suggests that she does not claim to have never been raped.
Shocked that posters are calling for her to be raped and saying that she should go to prison over this "breaking" news.
1- What the report states is that When they first questioned her, she COULD NOT remember anything about that night.
2- She did not think her BF would allow anything like that to happen to her.
3- Once they showed her evidence, she identified them.
It is rape when the other person is so drunk she can't consent. That is what happened.
1- The girl did not say the rape never took place.
2- Teh video from the fox station never even suggests that she does not claim to have never been raped.
Shocked that posters are calling for her to be raped and saying that she should go to prison over this "breaking" news.
1- What the report states is that When they first questioned her, she COULD NOT remember anything about that night.
2- She did not think her BF would allow anything like that to happen to her.
3- Once they showed her evidence, she identified them.
It is rape when the other person is so drunk she can't consent. That is what happened.
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