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Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:26 pm to Craig86
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1) How bad do you think the next 10 years will be for Ole Miss (as in how many head coaches come and go, how many players transfer, how many wins per season they can get.)
It'll suck for a few years. And I say this as someone who watched the carnage after the Mumme violations where we had a bowl ban plus had to forfeit 19 scholarships over a 3 year period.
Kentucky got very, very lucky that we were able to bring in Rich Brooks.
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2) Do you think Ole Miss really did worse than many other schools? I'm not naive I know money talks, we got caught but, how rampant do you think pay for play etc really is?
I think you simply just got caught. And in the unfortunate era after the NCAA has embarrassed itself in other investigations.
Rivalry bias against them aside, I think what Louisville did was worse because of the moral aspect. Some of those girls that got pimped to those players were kids. They got away with making McGee their scapegoat though and a self-imposed post-season ban in a season they would've likely made a deep tournament run.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:32 pm to Craig86
Drawing it out is hurting Ole Miss more than a quick sentence IMO. Future Recruiting is in flux until the verdict hits.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:45 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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I honestly think they'll go back to being traditional Ole Miss...so how bad is that?
Bad enough to be called Ole Piss without any hint of anger or rivalry behind it. That's why so many have hunkered down and gone into denial. I wouldn't want to see the collapse either if I were them. Hell, they'd almost shed that nickname except under more juvenile/rivalry induced moments.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:46 pm to Hogwarts
Is there any time frame as to when the verdict hits?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:47 pm to Craig86
I hope it goes on for another 5 years, or until OM drops from NCAA to NAIA status.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:01 pm to Craig86
Is your last name dunaway?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:04 pm to Gray Tiger
Spot on in my opinion.
And, like another poster said, I see absolutely no reason why OM is holding on to Freeze. Other than he might know a little too much about some administrative types.
I want this crap to end so we can focus on football.
And, like another poster said, I see absolutely no reason why OM is holding on to Freeze. Other than he might know a little too much about some administrative types.
I want this crap to end so we can focus on football.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:04 pm to Craig86
You've been a board member since 2012 and have over 500 posts? I bet you know a little more than you are trying to get us to believe. C'MON MANE!!
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:10 pm to Craig86
How bad Ole Miss will be over the next ten years depends on how well MSU can take advantage of a 2-3 year definite slump.
If MSU puts together 7-5 or worse seasons, Ole Miss will come back a lot quicker than most realize. If State starts winning 9-10 games every year and is consistently ranked, it could hurt Ole Miss more.
MSU has never taken advantage of Ole Miss probations, and Ole Miss hasn't quite been able to consistently dominate when MSU was down.
If MSU puts together 7-5 or worse seasons, Ole Miss will come back a lot quicker than most realize. If State starts winning 9-10 games every year and is consistently ranked, it could hurt Ole Miss more.
MSU has never taken advantage of Ole Miss probations, and Ole Miss hasn't quite been able to consistently dominate when MSU was down.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:18 pm to Craig86
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1) How bad do you think the next 10 years will be for Ole Miss (as in how many head coaches come and go, how many players transfer, how many wins per season they can get.)
They are going to be real bad for OM fans. Likely to have some 6-win ceiling type seasons. I would guess that Ole Miss likely won't play in more than 3 bowl games over the next 10 seasons.
As far as coaches, I'd say Freeze is very likely gone before next season. At that point you will bring in a 'cleaner' type of coach. One whose primary task is cleaning up the image of the program, isn't beholden to the boosters, and is somewhat of a disciplinarian. After about 3-4 years of that, the fanbase will start to get restless and the administration might make a panic hire (you hope it isn't a Dooley/DuBose type).
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2) Do you think Ole Miss really did worse than many other schools? I'm not naive I know money talks, we got caught but, how rampant do you think pay for play etc really is?
Objectively worse? No. Sloppier? Absolutely. As far as what OM is charged with in the NOA, it's one of the worst list of infractions in decades. The sheer volume and breadth is far past what almost anyone else has been charged with (the UNC and Miami cases not withstanding, each of which has very strange circumstances that I won't go into).
I'm not suggesting that OM has cheated on a level past what anyone else has done. They got caught on a level past what anyone else has gotten caught doing in a while.
As far as the prevalence of recruits getting paid. It happens, a lot. Top 250 type kids get money. But they get money in small increments from multiple sources associated with multiple schools. Very few get 6-figure paydays and even those very seldom get it from one source.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:43 pm to UAtide11
I'd be incredibly surprised if the penalties are somehow worse than what was levied against Ole Miss in 1994, which was at least an out-of-body experience if not essentially a death penalty.
As a reminder, in '94,
TV bans are simply a thing of the past. A two year bowl ban would be pretty devastating, as would a scholly reduction as severe as what the program endured in the recruiting scandal that ended Billy Brewer's tenure in Oxford, but I'm not sure the scholarships will be slashed as badly considering Ole Miss has already been docking scholarships in anticipation of sanctions stemming from Saunders (or as a preemptive strike for whenever Ole Miss got caught inducing players). Still, those penalties in the mid-90s were simply brutal, and Ole Miss was guilty of worse things then than what's been alleged in the current investigation. Ole Miss hired Tubby in 1995, and the Rebels went bowling in '97 & '98, beating Randy Moss' Marshall team in '97. It took less than 5 years to get back to an acceptable enough level of success considering the penalties levied. Assuming Freeze is gone, of which there's a decent chance, if Ole Miss makes a good hire, I'm not sure why the rebuild would take so much longer than the one Ole Miss made 20 years ago after enduring presumably harsher penalties. The SEC as a whole is tougher than it was in the '90s probably, but every member institution also has so much more money and resources at its disposal now. Granted, if Ole Miss makes a bad hire or two, it'll be the Orgeron and half of the Nutt years again with a ceiling like Tennessee experienced under Dooley, but I feel like the same could be said of any have-not school in the West who bungles a coaching hire as badly as those.
As a reminder, in '94,
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OXFORD, Miss. - NCAA sanctions levied yesterday against the University of Mississippi football program might cripple it for years.
The NCAA infractions committee found Mississippi guilty of 15 violations. They ranged from a lack of institutional control to offers of cash, plane tickets and cars to prospects by staff members and boosters.
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The committee (of infractions) placed Mississippi on probation for four years, banned it from postseason play for two years, banned it from playing in televised games for one year, and slashed the number of new players Mississippi can put on scholarship the next two years from 25 to 13 per year.
TV bans are simply a thing of the past. A two year bowl ban would be pretty devastating, as would a scholly reduction as severe as what the program endured in the recruiting scandal that ended Billy Brewer's tenure in Oxford, but I'm not sure the scholarships will be slashed as badly considering Ole Miss has already been docking scholarships in anticipation of sanctions stemming from Saunders (or as a preemptive strike for whenever Ole Miss got caught inducing players). Still, those penalties in the mid-90s were simply brutal, and Ole Miss was guilty of worse things then than what's been alleged in the current investigation. Ole Miss hired Tubby in 1995, and the Rebels went bowling in '97 & '98, beating Randy Moss' Marshall team in '97. It took less than 5 years to get back to an acceptable enough level of success considering the penalties levied. Assuming Freeze is gone, of which there's a decent chance, if Ole Miss makes a good hire, I'm not sure why the rebuild would take so much longer than the one Ole Miss made 20 years ago after enduring presumably harsher penalties. The SEC as a whole is tougher than it was in the '90s probably, but every member institution also has so much more money and resources at its disposal now. Granted, if Ole Miss makes a bad hire or two, it'll be the Orgeron and half of the Nutt years again with a ceiling like Tennessee experienced under Dooley, but I feel like the same could be said of any have-not school in the West who bungles a coaching hire as badly as those.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:53 pm to Brazos
quote:They can also boast that they beat Alabama 2 years in a row... first time ever for Ole Miss since they've been playing Alabama starting 1894. Until Freeze, their wins against Bama were in the single digits.
The really sad part about this is all Ole Miss achieved with the cheating was one Sugar Bowl victory. That's a heavy price to pay for one Sugar Bowl.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:07 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Bama wasn't ever really bad until the early to mid 2000s, under DuBose & Shula.
Ears Whitworth's teams say "hi"
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But Ole Miss has never been a very good program on any consistent basis
Another Gump who thinks football started when Saban came to town.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:09 pm to Fear The Thumb
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Is there any time frame as to when the verdict hits?
I think many believe the final ruling will be sometime in November
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:24 pm to jatebe
Yeah they can boast about that but beating Alabama didn't win them anything of significance.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:28 pm to Craig86
won't be long before you start hearing around the Ole Miss Campus: "We may not win the game, but we never lose the party!!"...
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:32 pm to bbvdd
Eh, Ole Miss fans never stopped saying that. Even after 4th & 25, the silver lining was that the Square stayed open an hour later than a normal Saturday, and fans dutifully drowned their sorrows
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:45 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Ears Whitworth's teams say "hi"
I was clearly responding to his question about Bama's level of competitiveness following Bryant.
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Another Gump who thinks football started when Saban came to town.
Well, that's not true. In fact, one of the papers I wrote while getting my Master's was about how integration impacted the football programs of the SEC. However, I'm not sure pre-integration years should even be in consideration when the team in question literally hasn't won anything of significance since.
Not sure why my post was so confusing to someone with as much football history knowledge as yourself. You knew very well what I was saying. Overall, this post was very poor in quality, and quite frankly, I expected more from you.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:07 pm to Tuscaloosa
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quite frankly, I expected more from you.
Really? I thought it was universally understood that LSU fans were pretty much mentally handicapped.
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