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Posted on 4/24/18 at 9:48 am to djsdawg
Posted on 4/24/18 at 9:48 am to djsdawg
And 38 years without a championship is still 38 years of underachieving. You can pretend that UGA is elite , but history proves otherwise. We have been hearing the bragging from UGA for being in the “hand grenade zone”, but we all know the history of the program, so we let them slide.
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:01 am to MsGarrison
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Kirby isn’t #2
Have we forgotten his first year and the blowout loss to Auburn.
Kirby's first year he lost 5 games. Gus has averaged 5 losses in the last 4 years.
They both have played for a National Championship. I can see why someone would put Kirby over Gus. Only time will tell for sure, but lets face it....Gus hasn't really done anything that Kirby hasn't done.
I would be willing to bet anybody that Kirby does not lose 5 games in the coming season.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:03 am to Irons Puppet
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And 38 years without a championship is still 38 years of underachieving. You can pretend that UGA is elite , but history proves otherwise.
Auburn has one in the last 57 years! Are you prepared to say Auburn has underachieved?
quote:As we know the history of Auburn, yet you seem to think Auburn is better than Georgia, while statistics and history says otherwise.
but we all know the history of the program, so we let them slide.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:04 am to blzr
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Gus is by far second with a healthy roster
Whose fault is it that Auburn does not have any depth?
Do you think Georgia did not have any injuries or payers missing? because if that is what you think, then you would be wrong.
Auburn is quickly becoming Excuse Univeristy.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:13 am to Irons Puppet
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2-3 Against Saban
2 SECW Championships
quote:Come the frick on Irons, is this what y'all are boasting about now?
3 Big 6 Bowl Games
3 Playoff Poll Appearances
My Lord, I had no idea Saban had reduced this conference to depths so low that fans would view stuff like as some type of accomplishment just to prop up their HC.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:15 am to DawgsLife
Matt Luke >>>>>> Merlin.
Head to head HC records don't lie.
Head to head HC records don't lie.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:20 am to DawgsLife
2010 vs 1980
3 undefeated seasons vs 0 in 35 years.
7 vs 4 SECC in that period.
That is considered recent history. UGA is starting to act like the University of Chicago when discussing their Football history.
3 undefeated seasons vs 0 in 35 years.
7 vs 4 SECC in that period.
That is considered recent history. UGA is starting to act like the University of Chicago when discussing their Football history.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:22 am to RT1941
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2-3 Against Saban
2 SECW Championships
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3 Big 6 Bowl Games
3 Playoff Poll Appearances
Come the frick on Irons, is this what y'all are boasting about now?
Show me another coach in the SEC who can match that 5 year resume.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:30 am to Pdubntrub
Here's the thing....
1. Saban is without a doubt #1
2. Kirby is likely to solidify #2 this year, and I think most would agree that it *feels* like he's already #2, but when you look at actual accomplishments, Gus has accomplished everything he has and maybe a little more but he's had more time to do it. If Georgia just wins the East this year and beats Auburn in the process, then Kirby locks up #2 without any questions.
3. Gus is arguably #2 right now since he has an SEC Championship, two SEC West Championships, and a National Title Game appearance. However, the only reason he is slightly more accomplished than Kirby is because he has had more time. If anyone wants to put him #2 for now, I don't have a problem with it.... but in all likelihood he'll be dropping to #3 in a short period of time.
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After those 3, there is very little in the area of "accomplishments" to go around.
Just because Jimbo succeeded at Florida State does not mean he'll have the same success in the SEC West. Until he can take the Aggies to a Top 10 or 15 finish, I don't think he deserves anything close to a Top 3 ranking.
Right now there are really only 3 coaches worth ranking. Fisher, Mullen, and Muschamp have all shown reasons why some might feel they can succeed at their current schools but until they actually accomplish anything significant, they aren't in consideration with those Top 3.
1. Saban is without a doubt #1
2. Kirby is likely to solidify #2 this year, and I think most would agree that it *feels* like he's already #2, but when you look at actual accomplishments, Gus has accomplished everything he has and maybe a little more but he's had more time to do it. If Georgia just wins the East this year and beats Auburn in the process, then Kirby locks up #2 without any questions.
3. Gus is arguably #2 right now since he has an SEC Championship, two SEC West Championships, and a National Title Game appearance. However, the only reason he is slightly more accomplished than Kirby is because he has had more time. If anyone wants to put him #2 for now, I don't have a problem with it.... but in all likelihood he'll be dropping to #3 in a short period of time.
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After those 3, there is very little in the area of "accomplishments" to go around.
Just because Jimbo succeeded at Florida State does not mean he'll have the same success in the SEC West. Until he can take the Aggies to a Top 10 or 15 finish, I don't think he deserves anything close to a Top 3 ranking.
Right now there are really only 3 coaches worth ranking. Fisher, Mullen, and Muschamp have all shown reasons why some might feel they can succeed at their current schools but until they actually accomplish anything significant, they aren't in consideration with those Top 3.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:32 am to Irons Puppet
quote:There are only 3 HC's in the conference that've been at their programs since 2013. Saban/Malzhan/Stoops the rest of the SEC has been a damn coaching carousel. There's no need to prop Gus up with shite like "3 Playoff Poll Appearances" or "3 B6 Bowl's" when he sits at 1-4 in bowl games.
Show me another coach in the SEC who can match that 5 year resume.
Saban is heads and shoulders above the rest, then Jimbo (he has a NC), then Gus and Kirby.....
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:36 am to BHMKyle
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3. Gus is arguably #2 right now since he has an SEC Championship, two SEC West Championships, and a National Title Game appearance. However, the only reason he is slightly more accomplished than Kirby is because he has had more time. If anyone wants to put him #2 for now, I don't have a problem with it.... but in all likelihood he'll be dropping to #3 in a short period of time.
Well said
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:39 am to BHMKyle
quote:Good post
BHMKyle
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:41 am to RT1941
That is the discussion. Everyone knows what Saban has done, and his success is his alone, but during this historic success who has done better than Gus ? True you can argue about Jimbo, but he did not have to compete in the SECW. He played maybe two decent teams a year in the ACC, and those games were usually spread apart for 4-5 weeks. So his teams were fresher and had less injuries.
Everyone wants to bring up Gus's Bowl record, but three of those loses were against Top 10 teams, while the other teams were playing lower level Bowl Games. The point is Gus has gotten AU in position, and that is all you can ask for from a coach . He will be judged in the future by how much further he can take them. But his 5 year resume is exactly what I listed.
Everyone wants to bring up Gus's Bowl record, but three of those loses were against Top 10 teams, while the other teams were playing lower level Bowl Games. The point is Gus has gotten AU in position, and that is all you can ask for from a coach . He will be judged in the future by how much further he can take them. But his 5 year resume is exactly what I listed.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:42 am to Irons Puppet
0-3 vs UGA on the road
0-2 vs LSU on the road
0-2 vs Bama on the road
1-4 in bowl games
FIFY
Gus should thank God for the friendly confines of JHS
and the '13 flukes that bailed em out
And you guys wanted crucify em after the Clemson game.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:53 am to RD Dawg
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0-3 vs UGA on the road
0-2 vs LSU on the road
0-2 vs Bama on the road
1-4 in bowl games
Gus is trash Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:54 am to Irons Puppet
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he did not have to compete in the SECW. He played maybe two decent teams a year in the ACC, and those games were usually spread apart for 4-5 weeks. So his teams were fresher and had less injuries.
OMG back to "fresher" and "less injuries" garbage.
So all the injuries UT and UF had last year were due to
the "guantlet" of the SECE?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:56 am to Pdubntrub
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1. Saban
2. Kirby
3. Gus Bus
4. Fisher
5. Mullen
6. Boom
7. Pruitt
8. Stoops
9. Morris
10. I wanna hummer you wanna hummer ed orgeron
In all seriousness when I saw the thread title and before I clicked on it and was thinking of my own top 10 SEC coaches, Ed O. was not in my mind at all.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:00 am to Irons Puppet
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2010 vs 1980
All that says is yours is more recent. To view it another way, it took you 57 years to get one. If you want to view most recent achievements as being the deciding factor, then Georgia just won a SEC Championship and just played for a National Championship.
Does this mean Georgia is better since their accomplishments are more recent? or should we go with all time accomplishments? quote:
3 undefeated seasons vs 0 in 35 years.
7 vs 4 SECC in that period.
Great! Shall we go with all time? No? I didn't think so. Football started for Auburn in 2010.
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That is considered recent history. UGA is starting to act like the University of Chicago when discussing their Football history.
And Auburn is acting like Georgia Tech. "We had that one year that was more recent than your one year! But let's not talk about current teams!"
Take your choice. We can talk about all time or we can talk about this year, because all other time frames are arbitrary.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 11:01 am
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:04 am to scrooster
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Florida fans, are there any Boom signees remaining?
Only R-Srs...and only 1 of the 9 plays Defense (Khairi Clark)
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:08 am to MrAUTigers
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This was before he left
They were upset and overreacting about one season. FSU fans definitely thought Jimbo was a top 5 coach before the season.
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and let Clemson overtake FSU..............which should never happen when the State of Florida is your recruiting ground.
it’s not like Clemson just overtook FSU. They overtook everyone outside of Bama. This is an incredibly dumb argument. Clemson is a good program, and Dabo is a great coach. Clemson can recruit in Florida and Georgia and North Carolina too. It’s not like they’re banned from recruiting outside of South Carolina. I get everyone hates on A&M, and Jimbo obviously hasn’t proven himself there yet, but if you just look at what he’s done so far, he’s easily #2 on the list.
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