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re: Ranking the HC Jobs Based on Desirability

Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:26 pm to
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C Nite


Reading is fundamental.
On the other hand, reading comprehension seems to be skill you lack.

Start over and see if you can understand how you failed.
Good luck.
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
15373 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:28 pm to
Michigan too high
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7599 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:38 pm to
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But Arkansas is the most difficult job in the SEC in terms of asking a coach to try to compete in the West despite having an inferior pool of in-state talent not to mention the coldest weather. At least the Mississippi schools have double the in-state talent, and are very closer to other recruiting hotbeds like Memphis.


I would agree with you if schools were forced to only take recruits from in-state, but Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and South Carolina all usually recruit within like 5 spots of each other so I'm not sure why it's relevant.

We're currently ranked #20 in recruiting and our top 3 recruits are from Texas, Florida and Oklahoma.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
24366 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:41 pm to
texas too high
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:41 pm to
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We're currently ranked #20 in recruiting and our top 3 recruits are from Texas, Florida and Oklahoma.


That's kind of the point. It's a lot harder to fill your roster with kids from far away. It's easier to get kids on campus and easier to convince them to commit if they live close by.

Arkansas is just a much more difficult job. It's a better program than either Ole Miss, Miss St., or South Carolina, for sure. But its insanely more difficult to win there which is why Arky has been dead last in SEC W% since expansion in 2012.

Coaches know this. And that's why its a less desirable job than many other places.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6158 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:50 pm to
LSU didn’t settle for O. The past AD publicly stated that he felt “offended” by Jimbo and Herman’s negotiation tactics. Both would have taken the job if LSU had matched the A&M or Texas offers. Alleva was just a Yankee idiot who doesn’t understand hiring or negotiating with someone who has market leverage. Georgia should be the last one to throw stones. You fired a guy who actually won the SEC a few times and hired an assistant coach with NO head coaching experience. Mind you, our shrimp boat captain had two successful stints as interim HC at LSU and USC when we pulled the trigger. The captain also won a NC and beat your hire twice in their only two matchups. Again, only a Georgia fan can rationalize that the Georgia job is better. I keep waiting for the day that reality hits Georgia fans, but I guess that will never happen. Never seen a more pompous fan base with NOTHING to show for it.
Posted by GainesvilleDawg
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
532 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:56 pm to
Pretty good list, but I'd but USC way higher. Good weather, ton of talent nearby, and zero competition.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28542 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:58 pm to
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But its insanely more difficult to win there which is why Arky has been dead last in SEC W% since expansion in 2012.


Eh, it is tough for sure but the reason we are dead last isn't because of that solely. Bad hires is a huge reason as well. For the most part, Bert was considered a huge hire nationally at the time.
Posted by RoscoeHarper
Edmond, OK
Member since Aug 2011
4808 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:02 pm to
I think Arkansas main problem in the past 10 years is shite coaching, not talent.

IMO they should be ahead of Mizzou. Better fanbase, better facilities, better tradition. Access to recruits is even. Fayetteville being tucked in a corner of the state is a little weird, but they are within a 5 hour drive of Dallas (and East Texas), St Louis and Memphis, 3 hours from OKC and KC and 1.5 hours from Tulsa. Not as barren from a recruiting aspect as you'd think.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
34268 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:06 pm to
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Arkansas obviously has issues and negatives. I have been very vocal about their huge limitations when it comes to recruiting, although weather is super low on the reasons.

My point is their location on the list compared to others, especially Ole Miss. Ole Miss ten spots higher is a major stretch imo.
I’m an Arkansas fan and I would rate OM 10+ spots higher. A great coach could conceivably win a national title at OM I within three years. That assumes OM isn’t poor but i highly doubt they are. There are only 10-12 programs like that in the country. Arkansas isn’t one of them.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted by DuckTalesLOL
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2018
6068 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:13 pm to
Having Missouri and Miss State over Arkansas is a deal breaker for me. Better facilities, better city, basically everything is better here.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28542 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:14 pm to
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A great coach could conceivably win a national title at OM I within three years.


I really don't think there is evidence to show/support that. Not impossible but extremely unlikely.

quote:

There are only 10-12 programs like that in the country. Arkansas isn’t one of them.


Don't disagree here but Ole Miss isn't one as well
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7599 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:16 pm to
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That's kind of the point. It's a lot harder to fill your roster with kids from far away. It's easier to get kids on campus and easier to convince them to commit if they live close by.


I get what you're saying but looking at Ole Miss' recruiting class, some of their top players are from Pennsylvania and Florida. Mississippi State's are from Texas and Louisiana. They're getting a lot of their best players from elsewhere just like we are.

College football recruiting isn't quite as regionalized as it used to be, though it obviously helps. I don't really think you can say it's insanely more difficult to win here than those places when we have a winning record over them since we joined the SEC and have won our division more times despite falling off a cliff post-Petrino. Tennessee has been awful lately but that doesn't mean it's harder to win there than a lot of the schools that have been been better than them.
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8562 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:17 pm to
Data points that include facilities ranked ahead of FSU. Illinois, Northwestern, TCU, Texas Tech snd some others is just plain ignorant.
FSU is a dumpster fire right now, but facilities are not the problem.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
24695 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:18 pm to
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Was in Austin about a year ago and stayed at the JW Marriott downtown. I was amazed at how many homeless people there were down there.


That is where I stay when visiting Austin every few months (before COVID). The homeless shelter down the street is always rocking. Some great places to eat, but the music and bar scene is not what it used to be

I grew up in Austin, and the city used to be a LOT nicer.
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8449 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:20 pm to
USC is 100% a top 10 job still and probably a top 5 job
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
42073 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:22 pm to
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There are Atlanta area high schools with more fan support.



NGHS being one of them
Posted by atomic31
Member since Aug 2018
1450 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:23 pm to
I have no doubt in my mind that Georgia is a better job than Florida. Ever wonder how a program that hasn't won a national championship in 40 years consistently gets top 2-3 recruiting classes? Georgia is everything that Alabama is, minus the championships
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
24695 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:24 pm to
USC is a top job, but UCLA should be better - much, much nicer campus and setup. It just isn't though. For some reason UCLA has never been able to reach their potential in football.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:25 pm to
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USC is 100% a top 10 job still and probably a top 5 job


So desirable that they promoted Clay Helton from within and haven't been able to fire him ever since.

If it was a Top 5 job, they could have most anyone they wanted. They wouldn't have settled for promoting an assistant coach from within who'd never been a Head Coach before, and they would have great options lining up to take the job now. But yet Helton is still coaching because they don't have any better options.

USC is no longer a Top 5 job... or a Top 10 job. That's pretty obvious by their current situation.
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