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re: Playoff Picture Summarized
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:06 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:06 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
The 12 team playoff may keep Texas from feeling the pain of a full set of SEC games.
Texas has shite the bed as much as any team the last 10-15 years.
so.. bless your heart. You got us this year, so brag all you want.
Texas has shite the bed as much as any team the last 10-15 years.
so.. bless your heart. You got us this year, so brag all you want.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:06 am to WG_Dawg
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that's not true. It depends on who the other 3 playoff entrants are, but if Louisville is a 1-loss P5 champino they have a terrific chance to go over a 1 loss tema that didn't win its conference.
Okay so who?
Big 10 champ goes over Louisville
SEC Champ goes over Louisville
PAC 12 Champ goes over Louisville
So are you saying 1-loss Louisville (with a loss to Pitt) goes ahead of 1-loss Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan? Which one?
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:10 am to AUTiger789
There are still too many variables. Assuming no major upsets, the only locks are the SEC winner and the B1G winner.
Personally, I think FSU will choke against Florida and/or Louisvillle and a one-loss Texas will take that fourth spot. The third spot is likely going to an undefeated Washington or a one loss Oregon.
Personally, I think FSU will choke against Florida and/or Louisvillle and a one-loss Texas will take that fourth spot. The third spot is likely going to an undefeated Washington or a one loss Oregon.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:17 am to GreatPumpkin
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Why does a one loss Oregon control it’s destiny, but a one loss Bama doesn’t?
That’s easy. Because Oregon has an upcoming opportunity to avenge that loss AND win their league all in one game. Also their loss to Washington was closer and on the road.
If Bama had lost a very close one to Texas in Austin and was going to get a chance to avenge that loss and win a conference title in 2 weeks, they they too would control their own destiny.
If you can’t spot the difference, then you are beyond help.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:20 am to AUTiger789
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Okay so who?
Big 10 champ goes over Louisville
SEC Champ goes over Louisville
PAC 12 Champ goes over Louisville
So are you saying 1-loss Louisville (with a loss to Pitt) goes ahead of 1-loss Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan? Which one?
Did you even read my post? Ya know the part where I said:
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If the PAC/SEC/Big10/Big12 all have 0/1 loss champs then yes I'd agree they're getting the short end of the stick
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My point was that UL would go over both 1)a 2-loss champion or 2)a 1 loss team that didn't win its conference.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:22 am to AUTiger789
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I am starting to think the PAC 12 Champ gets in regardless… barring one of them losing this weekend. The committee obviously values 1-loss Oregon ahead of all other 1 loss teams at the moment, and a win over Washington would only solidify that IMO.
Teams that control their own destiny:
Ohio State
Michigan
Georgia
Washington
Oregon
Florida State
A max of just 3 teams can make it from this group in most scenarios, but whoever wins out, goes.
Teams who need help but still have a great shot:
Texas- has to win out and hope for 1 other team to lose between Georgia and Florida State.
Alabama- has to win out and hope for 1 other team to lose between Florida State and Texas
Teams who need help and chances don’t look very good:
1-loss Georgia- needs Florida State AND Texas to lose… would also help to have OSU beat Michigan.
OSU/Michigan loser- needs Georgia to beat Bama and for Florida State AND Texas to lose
Teams that have no shot:
Louisville- even if they win out there is no way ACC champ Louisville goes ahead of 1-loss OSU or Michigan
PAC 12 Title Game loser- no way PAC gets two teams in. A 1-loss Washington does not go ahead of a 1-loss OSU.Michigan loser
Conclusion
There are dozens of scenarios, but it’s actually very cut and dry barring major upsets during rivalry weekend. Here is the order:
1. Big 10 Champ
2. Georgia (if SEC Champ)
3. PAC 12 Champ
4. Florida St (if ACC champ)
5. Texas (if Big 12 champ)
6. Alabama (if SEC champ)
7. Ohio State (if they lose to Michigan)
8. Georgia (if they lose to Bama)
9. Michigan (if they lose to Ohio St)
—— no other teams possible to make cut——
10. PAC 12 loser
11. Louisville if ACC champ
If that's a summary, I'd hate to see a dissertation.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:23 am to WG_Dawg
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My point was that UL would go over both 1)a 2-loss champion or 2)a 1 loss team that didn't win its conference.
Okay. So you think a 1-loss Louisville gets in over a 1-loss Georgia? Interesting.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:31 am to AUTiger789
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So you think a 1-loss Louisville gets in over a 1-loss Georgia? Interesting.
At the moment, yes I do. Based SOLELY on precedent, because that's what the committee has shown over 9 years what would happen.
It's worth noting that things can change year to year, so this may be the year they'd change course and do something they've never done before. But if we're just juding based no prior decisions, yes they would go over us. It's also worth saying though that they've probably never been put in an apples to apples spot like this either.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:34 am to PerrillouxToTexas
I agree that Texas controls its destiny. I just fail to see the logic that Oregon does when it’s in a comparable situation to Bama
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:36 am to WG_Dawg
If Louisville’s resume was the same but it was FSU or Clemson, then I agree. But Committee Precedent shows Louisville has zero shot getting in over teams named Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, or Georgia.
If hairs have to be split, the more elite the program is always the deciding factor.
If hairs have to be split, the more elite the program is always the deciding factor.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:39 am to AUTiger789
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Committee Precedent shows Louisville has zero shot getting in over teams named Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, or Georgia.
what are you basing that on?
If name appeal was all that mattered then teams like washington, tcu, cincinnati would've never made it. They've shown that conference titles and wins matter most.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:51 am to Yokelhoma
So what weighs more - best win or worst loss?
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:55 am to AUTiger789
I think after last year’s embarrassment they might be alittle more careful about letting lesser teams in. I personally think Georgia could be in with a close loss to Bama. I mean they are the back to back defending Champs.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:57 am to smokehouse_83
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I think after last year’s embarrassment they might be alittle more careful about letting lesser teams in
TCU deserved to be in. What happened after the final 4 is set is irrelevant as it relates to the committee decision making.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:16 pm to ColoradoAg
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They are complete on both offense and defense.
Based on what exactly?
Was it the win over Texas Tech that sold you?
Utah?
The narrow win over dumpster fire USC?
Texas has 3 top 25 wins.
Bama has 3 top 25 wins and the #1 overall SoS in the nation.
Oregon has 1 borderline top 25 win against a team who I believe had their 3rd string QB at the time.
Why are they being rewarded for not scheduling anyone when the other two similar teams both played an elite OOC opponent?
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:27 pm to AUTiger789
What if OSU/UM lose in the Big 10 championship game?
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:36 pm to AUTiger789
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There is no way Bama goes over a 12-1 Texas Big 12 champ. No way.
I wouldn’t bet against Bama if they win out.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:39 pm to tide06
quote:Only Bama actually has a pulse of those "wins". Seriously, seriously weak schedule.
Texas has 3 top 25 wins.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:51 pm to ColoradoAg
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Only Bama actually has a pulse of those "wins". Seriously, seriously weak schedule.
Well K State is #6 in FEI and Bama is #10 in FEI so they have two wins that are far more impressive than any anything Oregon has accomplished and have a much higher SoS ranking so if Texas is "seriously weak" what does that say about Oregon and their resume?
You "feel" Oregon is good and emotionally you don't want the horns in the playoffs, but objectively Oregon has done nothing to demonstrate they belong in the playoffs given the resumes of the schools they are competing with.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:57 pm to AUTiger789
Georgia/Bama winner
Oregon/Washington winner
Ohio st/ Michigan winner
Florida State IF undefeated
Texas if FSU drops a game and Texas is 12-1
For 2 SEC teams to make it, Bama beats UGA, Texas and FSU both lose and 1 loss UGA is in.
I know Texas beat Bama, but I think Vegas would favor Bama in a rematch.
FSU could drop a game. Their QB is out.
Oregon/Washington winner
Ohio st/ Michigan winner
Florida State IF undefeated
Texas if FSU drops a game and Texas is 12-1
For 2 SEC teams to make it, Bama beats UGA, Texas and FSU both lose and 1 loss UGA is in.
I know Texas beat Bama, but I think Vegas would favor Bama in a rematch.
FSU could drop a game. Their QB is out.
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