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re: Pick a Football Coach: Kirby vs Saban
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The thing about this that nobody has brought up is Saban comes as close as possible to guaranteeing you a championship over the next 5 years. Kirby is more of a risk.
Thread should have ended way back when someone made the obvious point that UGa would trade for Saban 100% of the time
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:55 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Thread should have ended way back when someone made the obvious point that UGa would trade for Saban 100% of the time
WHAT ABOUT SABAN VS KIRBY VS MINI DITKA
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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But you are literally comparing him to the tGOAT coach
nobody is comparing their resumes, they're comparing their next 20 years on the job. And despite bama collecting the hardware, this certainly isn't the 11-15 era saban teams. 2 years ago they lost to ole miss and scraped by clemson for the title. Last year they lost the title. This year they lost to auburn and scraped by to win the title in overtime. At the end of the day they are sitll winning them of course, but they aren't the shoo-in they were like when they were running roughshod over LSU and Notre Dame.
On the face of it it's really not a bad question, as you said, but the nerve to even compare saban to anyone, even in a futures capacity, is going to be met with ridicule.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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WHAT ABOUT SABAN VS KIRBY VS MINI DITKA
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:56 pm to ATLtiger12
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Calling what Gus did in 2013 as luck and what Kirby did in 2017 as unbelievable coaching just isn't fair and is a biased opinion.
if you don't think gus was lucky in 2013 then you can't be helped.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:59 pm to DirtyDawg
quote:I gave you an up vote because I haven't heard that phrase since my PawPaw died.
they all start to shite their pants sideways.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:59 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Thread should have ended way back when someone made the obvious point that UGa would trade for Saban 100% of the time
I wouldn't at UGA specifically. Anywhere else, I probably would. As others have said, UGA is a unique situation with Kirby. He's our guy and is uniquely prepared to be successful here.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I guess my point was as close to a guarantee of 1-2 National Titles over a 5-7 year span as exists in college football. Not necessarily that they will equally come over 7 years. Obviously even that isn't an actual "guarantee", but when you start doing valuations on the returns you'd give it the highest % chance of anyone.
for sure and thats why i'd still take Saban, but with Kirby you could really kit the jackpot so you'd have to at least consider it. Could come up snakeyes though, a risk that doesnt really exists with Saban.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:59 pm to Crowknowsbest
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He's our guy and is uniquely prepared to be successful here.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:00 pm to WG_Dawg
Yea - it's not a terrible question. It is a quintessential short term guarantee vs long term risk with bigger reward type question.
If you were going to "bet" on a long term coach in America today to build some lesser version of what Saban has built (year in year out competing for a national title with the best talent in America) it would clearly be Kirby or Dabo (or Urban, I guess, since he's still pretty young comparatively).
The only pause I'd have there is that it's been 1 year. All the peripheral things point towards him continuing to be very good, even better. I just know that even a guy like Saban had to really figure out how to fight through certain things at both LSU and Alabama, and it took years for him to get to the consistent 0-1 loss type teams. If I saw Kirby with a Top 5 team for 2-3 straight years I'd be totally bought in (even if he didn't win a title yet).
Hell, then you have to really tack on "well, what am I getting post-Saban for those next 10 years Kirby is around?". If it's Dabo, are you making the trade (5 of Saban + 10 of Dabo)? If it's Justin Fuente? If it's Matt Luke? The question kind of works off the assumption that post-5 years of Saban the next 10 years get zero return.
I think deeprig fell into it assbackwards, but it is actually a pretty interesting valuation question.
If you were going to "bet" on a long term coach in America today to build some lesser version of what Saban has built (year in year out competing for a national title with the best talent in America) it would clearly be Kirby or Dabo (or Urban, I guess, since he's still pretty young comparatively).
The only pause I'd have there is that it's been 1 year. All the peripheral things point towards him continuing to be very good, even better. I just know that even a guy like Saban had to really figure out how to fight through certain things at both LSU and Alabama, and it took years for him to get to the consistent 0-1 loss type teams. If I saw Kirby with a Top 5 team for 2-3 straight years I'd be totally bought in (even if he didn't win a title yet).
Hell, then you have to really tack on "well, what am I getting post-Saban for those next 10 years Kirby is around?". If it's Dabo, are you making the trade (5 of Saban + 10 of Dabo)? If it's Justin Fuente? If it's Matt Luke? The question kind of works off the assumption that post-5 years of Saban the next 10 years get zero return.
I think deeprig fell into it assbackwards, but it is actually a pretty interesting valuation question.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:02 pm to ATLtiger12
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Gus did in 2013 as luck and what Kirby did in 2017 as unbelievable coaching just isn't fair and is a biased opinion.
It's fair to say that gus needed a fluke (Bama) and a miracle (uga) because that's what happened. Au 2017 didn't need such things to beat better uga and Bama teams.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:04 pm to djsdawg
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It's fair to say that gus needed a fluke (Bama) and a miracle (uga) because that's what happened. Au 2017 didn't need such things to beat better uga and Bama teams.
The win over Georgia was a pure miracle fluke. Without that one play they lose. Case closed.
Alabama really wasn't (as much as I hate to say it). If we just miss that FG we go to overtime and we lose.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:09 pm to djsdawg
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Au 2017 didn't need such things to beat better uga and Bama teams.
Ridiculous statement...neither of those teams were better than Auburn during the regular season matchups and they proved it on the field. If anyone had an excuse, it was Bama due to a load of injuries on their defense. Georgia got the shite beat out of them in game one.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:12 pm to Dallasgrowl
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unlike what most of you Georgia guys are running off about, it is not in anyway guaranteed by a class or two in the top five and a load of quarterbacks on the roster. The last time I checked, only one can play at a time
No one said it was a guarantee. A qb and elite talent on both sides is the best way to challenge Bama for sec superiority. None of the other challengers had that.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:12 pm to Dallasgrowl
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Ridiculous statement...neither of those teams were better than Auburn during the regular season matchups and they proved it on the field. If anyone had an excuse, it was Bama due to a load of injuries on their defense. Georgia got the shite beat out of them in game one
Bama and uga 2017 were both better than Bama and uga 2013.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:13 pm to deeprig9
Saban because he would win us a national championship
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:14 pm to djsdawg
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No one said it was a guarantee. A qb and elite talent on both sides is the best way to challenge Bama for sec superiority. None of the other challengers had that.
I get your point and again, maybe Georgia can put it together. It is just WAY too early to count those chickens.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama really wasn't (as much as I hate to say it). If we just miss that FG we go to overtime and we lose
110 yard missed fg returns for tds are flukes.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:14 pm to djsdawg
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110 yard missed fg returns for tds are flukes.
Yes, but them beating us wasn't.
We would have lost in overtime.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Maybe. Never know what will happen in OT. It's a totally different ball game.
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