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re: Paul Finebaum: USC, UCLA to Big Ten better move than Oklahoma, Texas to SEC
Posted on 7/24/22 at 5:42 pm to BuckI
Posted on 7/24/22 at 5:42 pm to BuckI
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You keep harping on past achievements but the game has just changed. Players are unionizing and Kevin Warren and the B1G are leading by meeting with their representatives while Sankey and the good ole boys in Birmingham continue to play checkers.
The Big Ten can make as much money as it wants, but will still lose to the SEC in title games. That much will never change.
The Big Ten has two disadvantages they are in the cold for most of the college football season, and they are in dying areas. There is nothing the Big Ten can do about that.
Even if the Big Ten takes in UNC, UV, and Miami, exactly how many NC have they won in the last 25 years? The Big Ten could take the rest of the college football teams nationwide, and they still will not win the vast majority of the Big 3 sports NC, the little SEC will.
The reason to play major sports is to win NC, and no conference does it better than the SEC. The Big Ten since 2000 has won 2 NC in football and one basketball, the teams you added UCLA last won a NC in basketball in 1995 before that 1975, and USC last won a National title in football in 2004 before that 1978...
The SEC has lapped the Big Ten in major sports and now the Big Ten has taken two has been major sports programs.
The Big Ten can make all the money they want, the SEC will be winning all the titles they want, and titles attract eyes.
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Posted on 7/24/22 at 5:44 pm to ClaimToFame
Riley will get USC up to 5 wins this year, in other words an improvement for USC…lol….but that lofty win record dissipates as soon as he has to play in the Big 10
Posted on 7/24/22 at 5:53 pm to TideFaninFl
Yep, geography and demographics don't lie. The 3 most populated SEC states have a combined 157 blue chippers in the 2023 class. The 3 most populated B1G states (and this includes CA for UCLA/USC) has a combined 39.
Even the state of AL has over twice as many as OH now.
Even the state of AL has over twice as many as OH now.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:00 pm to Mizz-SEC
quote:True enough. This is 2022, not 1962.
Nobody GAF about USC or UCLA.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:02 pm to BuckI
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The schools you listed will never join the SEC. UNC, UV, and the U will join the B1G when we plant our flag in the south.
B1G already made a play for UNC the way they did for Maryland. While you may have inroads to some in the administration it was overwhelming given the "Hell No" by the alumni, students, and big donors. My guess is you have about as much chance at UNC as you have at Notre Dame.
You have whiffed already on Notre Dame and now you have whiffed on TX (the state) while the SEC got the brand in Oklahoma and the 2 best in Texas (TAMU and Utx). To save face you picked up 2 on the West Coast but they will be more like Nebraska leaving the Big 8 / Big 12 to die in the B1G. You whiffed on Missouri (which would have been a nice pair on a play with Kansas) and you are not getting them from their cozy new nest (and a budding rivalry with Arkansas).
Your greed is your downfall because you are not blending cultures but just trying to pair money, and that often fails in both marriages and business for the same reason. Duke is a Yankee school in a southern state but my guess is they follow UNC, UVA, and VT. My personal observation is the ACC is fine and will get stronger before they get weaker. Part of that is ESPN has both the ACC and the SEC and that is good for business. The bigger part is they both were schools in the old SIAA and SoCon and this affects both scheduling and donors.
UNC has history with multiple schools and that affects alumni and donors
Clemson has history with South Carolina and Georgia
Florida has history with Florida State and Miami
Kentucky has history with Louisville and Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech has history with Georgia and other SEC schools
I am sure there are other ties but those in particular make big donor $$$$ for the respective schools and that does not show up in media deals or balance sheets which all you B1G fanboys seem to have no clue about.
Do you think the SEC will go to 9 games? No, because it would mean the end of these long term rival games and it would cost the schools dearly. That means the ACC and SEC stay intact so ESPN has both. No way any go to the B1G and give up the fan and donor dollars for Indiana or Illinois. As further proof, B1G has not enhanced the brands of schools already added (Michigan State, Penn State, or Nebraska) and I can see the same dead end road for the 2 Cali schools.
If it makes you feel any better, you should study the past in the dictatorship of the 50's, 60's, and 70's that allowed the B1G and PAC the monopoly for 30 years. Think of all this, and the future as karma for your sins of the past. As for the present, the ACC is stronger, not weaker, since the B1G made a grab for Notre Dame and Texas in 2009. South is where the future is and both the ACC and SEC know this.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:04 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Yep, geography and demographics don't lie.
Nick Saban was from up North, one of the main reasons he took the job at LSU was the recruiting numbers (especially per capita) were near the top for the state of Louisiana.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:17 pm to TideFaninFl
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The Big Ten can make as much money as it wants, but will still lose to the SEC in title games. That much will never change.
You have no business sense. The players are going to be following the money. And the money gap between the B1G and everyone else is only going to grow. Why would an elite player stay in the south when he can go north and make more. It would not surprise me to see athletes fulfill their senior year of eligibility because the B1G will pay so well.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 10:11 pm to BuckI
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You have no business sense.
You keep saying this but I have a feeling you may have no business sense
B1G in the last century (especially after WW II and the GI Bill) had big state schools in high population states. They also had a monopoly on the auto business which greatly enhanced the wealth of MI + IN + OH in particular. It also meant migration North for higher paying Industrial jobs after WW II.
Now they make cars in KY, SC, TN, and AL and folks are now moving south for the weather and the jobs. SEC has product across sports and has had it since WWI but in the early days the media was on the East or West coast or around a mega city like Chicago (where 75% of the state lives in the major city, highly unusual) and the SEC got shortchanged not having those media hubs. B1G had crappy product (but the NCAA monopoly under the Beyers dictatorship) but had lots of bodies to tune into the local teams.
That has changed as folks are moving south and within a generation the population advantage of the B1G will be gone but the product will still be inferior. You say follow the $$$$ but you fail to see that money is moving south, not north.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 3:13 am to BuckI
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You have no business sense. The players are going to be following the money. And the money gap between the B1G and everyone else is only going to grow. Why would an elite player stay in the south when he can go north and make more. It would not surprise me to see athletes fulfill their senior year of eligibility because the B1G will pay so well.
What are the Big 10 teams going to pay the athletes with? NIL is for the boosters, not the universities.
But you want to talk about money, do you really think any Big Ten Team can match Texas and Oklahoma oil money? Walmart? Coke? Huntsville and Raleigh/Chapel Hill/Durham have the two largest research parks in the country (both in the top four in the world), does the Big Ten beat that?
The southern schools have just as nice or better athletic facilities and put more players in the pros than the Big Ten. Not only that, but the southern schools actually play for and win national titles. Players see that, and choose their schools accordingly.
Like I have said, the Big Ten can make all the money in the world, and it will be the Southern schools that are winning all the National Titles. Winning titles brings eyes to the TV and money to the athletic coffers as advertisers and steamers see that and go with the winners.
The Big Ten has gone into huge PRO markets where their product will be fourth at best. I doubt the expected payout that Big Ten is predicting will show up as advertisers and streamers have to make a choice where to put their money in those markets.
No child, it is you that has no business sense, not even close.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 3:24 am to Ttazhorn
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Sorry Aggie, I only got 2 or 3 A&M games out here in the far west on basic cable.
If you had CBS(which is broadcast television) then you got 3 A&M games alone last season. Add in ESPN(just the prime time 7:00 slot) you got 3 more. You silly goose. You don’t even realize more people nationally watched A&M last year than tu, do you? You don’t get why your administration was so desperate to run back to Daddy and beg to join the SEC? It’s hilarious how pathetic you are.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:27 am to BuckI
So does this matchup, Ohio State v USC and Michigan v UCLA occur over and over and over all season long?
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:29 am to BuckI
When were OU and Texas denied membership to the B1G.
Source? Links?
Source? Links?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:37 am to Hawkeye here
Iowa is the podunk state with 3.1 million people and no pro sports teams.
Oklahoma is a small state of 4.2 million people and one pro sports team. Oklahoma has 2 metro areas of over one million population for each. Iowa has one metro-Des Moines-with a total metro population of 600,000....smaller than the city of OKC and barely larger than the city of Tulsa.
Oklahoma is a small state of 4.2 million people and one pro sports team. Oklahoma has 2 metro areas of over one million population for each. Iowa has one metro-Des Moines-with a total metro population of 600,000....smaller than the city of OKC and barely larger than the city of Tulsa.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:54 am to SoonerMagic1
Iowa State fans sure can party
Really wish Cyclones and State would play, all these years and not 1 game yet
Anybody know what happened to the gif of the 2 Iowa State ladies at the Kansas football game in 2013?
Really wish Cyclones and State would play, all these years and not 1 game yet
Anybody know what happened to the gif of the 2 Iowa State ladies at the Kansas football game in 2013?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:00 am to BuckI
Ohio State fan talking about a FLAG PLANT. lol
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:19 am to SoonerMagic1
UCLA can’t travel to 4 Big 10 states due to LGBTQ laws.......lol......
They would have to find private money to go there, this is for all sports and activities.....
But they can travel to China... :rotflmao:
They would have to find private money to go there, this is for all sports and activities.....
But they can travel to China... :rotflmao:
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:27 am to dstone12
quote:This might be the most accurate statement that I've seen on these boards. Ten years ago the SEC foolishly thought that adding Missouri would give them the St. Louis and Kansas City markets. In 2016 the Rams moved back to Los Angeles because they knew what the SEC should've known: St. Louis is not a football town. Kansas City loves football but the only way to get that market is to add the Chiefs and I don't think they're available. Adding universities to your conference based on market size is fools gold. The PAC-Twelve area has some of the biggest television markets around....Los Angles, Portland, San Francisco, Phoenix, Seattle, Denver, etc. but they can't get a big TV deal to match that of the SEC or the B1G Ten. Why is that? Because no one in San Francisco cares about California or Stanford. They care about the 49'ers. Denver cares about the Broncos. Seattle cares about Chaz.....well you get the idea.
I think the SEC knows what it is doing and it has to make up for the one mistake of letting Mizz in.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:36 am to RelentlessTide
quote:Disagree. Adding Texas was not about getting the Texas market. It's a national brand. Alabama is a national brand. So is Clemson. So is Oklahoma. People in New York City will tune in to watch Alabama. That's why the SEC gets these big TV deals while the PAC-Twelve with all their big markets can't get one to match it.
The SEC already had that with Aggie. Marginal gains with Tejas
Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:42 am to Zgeo
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UCLA can’t travel to 4 Big 10 states due to LGBTQ laws.......lol......
They would have to find private money to go there, this is for all sports and activities.....
The $100 plus million they get from the B1G will take care of it.
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But they can travel to China...
The B1G is in negotiations to put the B1G Network on in China. The B1G never sleeps.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:47 am to BuckI
So the Big 10 endorses; genocide, slave labor, totalitarianism, and world domination by China.... 
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