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re: *Over time, I think the Aggies will become LSU's Rival

Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:20 pm to
Posted by Hawgon
Texas
Member since Feb 2011
1223 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:20 pm to
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Usually? It takes both teams being good to be a real rivalry, not just one. If and when the SEC title is on the line, then it will mean something. Until then, you just have smoke and mirrors for maintaining it is 'USUALLY' something on the line. In 2007 LSu had something on the line, not a conf title but a national title. Arky had nothing. In 2008 both were garbage. In 2009, there was really nothing. In 2010, a sugar bowl...and while lsu would have like to gone, we have done it 4 times in the previous 9 years leading up to that bowl game. Again, there was no conference title on the line or shot at NC. I would imagine LSU and Arky look at the word "significant" a little differently.


Well, whatever. We'll just keep beating your arse at a regular clip and see if that makes you feel any better about you corndog momafricker.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:21 pm to
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Its no secret why the series ended...

Sept. 14, 1991, College Station, W, 45-7
Sept. 5, 1992, Baton Rouge, W, 31-22
Sept. 4, 1993, College Station W, 24-0
Sept. 3, 1994, Baton Rouge, W, 18-13
Sept. 2, 1995, College Station, W, 33-17


Joe Dean was our AD then. Any LSU fan with a memory that goes back that far can confirm that Joe Dean didn't give one flying f*** about whether we won or lost football games. He only cared about money. The problem was that he never saw the financial opportunity that WINNING presented, and was only about cutting costs. So, he'd go out and hire the cheapest bargain basement coach he could find, the football team would go 4-7, attendance would fall, revenues would fall, and Dean would be patting himself on the back for all the money he saved by hiring a cheap coach. We only got Saban because then-chancellor Mark Emmert basically told Dean to go sit in a corner and keep his mouth shut while he (Emmert) found us a football coach. Emmert, of course, realized the value of a winning program, spent what was then a lot of money to hire Saban, and the rest is history.

After the SEC went to an 8-game conference schedule in 1992, Dean tried to cancel or buy out any game he could that wasn't a home-only cupcake, and a cheap payout one at that. If he could have found a way to make money off of a home and home with A&M, he would have gladly watched us lose 70 in a row. He saw a way to get out of some road games that he could replace with New Mexico State or other such cupcakes, so he went for it. That he (according to A&M) withheld whatever buyout fee he was supposed to pay is right up his alley.

Joe Dean actually used to brag about the fact that, when he was running Converse, he was able to cut costs and avoid bankruptcy when sales plummeted by 80% (or whatever it was). He never seemed to realize that his JOB was to keep sales from plummeting 80% in the first place, but he was too short sighted to realize the marketing and sponsorship deals that Reebok, Nike, etc. were spending a ton of money on would actually make them many times as much, at the expense of short-sighted Dean-led Converse.

For every complaint I've ever had about Skip Bertman and Joe Alleva (and I've had quite a few), they were both a million times better than Joe Dean.

But anyway, to your point, no, Joe Dean would never cancel a series for anything to do with performance on the field. Performance on the field was the furthest thing from his mind at all times.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:24 pm to
All flaming aside, Nuts4LSU hit the nail on the head. Dean was a HORRIBLE AD--this cannot be overstated.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:27 pm to
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Well, whatever. We'll just keep beating your arse at a regular clip and see if that makes you feel any better about you corndog momafricker


At a regular clip? You won two in a row thanks to our shitty 2008 defense. Since then, it's been alternating home team wins. You trail in the series, both before and after you joined the conference.

For whatever reason, we do have a habit of playing like shite against Arkansas. We still do enough to keep and add to our lead in the series, but I would like to see us actually start showing up consistently so that y'all would never beat us. Maybe that'll start this year.
This post was edited on 10/19/11 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:36 pm to
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There were 2 games remaining on the contract when LSU cancelled it.


It was initially a 10-year contract from 1986 through 1995. Sometime during that 10 years, there was apparently an extension (you say 2 years, I thought it was 4, but whatever it was, it was an extension of the original 10-year contract). Apparently, LSU withdrew from the extension, but we did complete the original 10-year contract.

A&M has raised more hell about this than anyone outside of Texas or Louisiana would believe, which is strange because all Joe Dean did was save them from a long series of beatdowns if we had continued playing each other.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 1:39 pm to
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The contract was renewed for 10 years starting in the 1988 season. Last time I checked, if the last game was 1995, that would be 8 seasons, not 10. Therefore, cancelled.


It was a 10-year contract beginning in 1986. Anything after 1995 was an extension of that original 10-year deal.
Posted by texmariner84
H-town
Member since Aug 2011
556 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 3:55 pm to
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magildachunks


All in good fun

But really... Chelsea? Come on man! You can do better than that!
Posted by Windy City Ag
Chicago, IL
Member since Oct 2011
22 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 4:45 pm to
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Here's a small bit of LSU-A&M history for all of you infants out there( ): Billy Cannon- our only Heisman Trophy Winner- had a son (Billy Jr.) who was a top LBer recruit out of Baton Rouge in the very early '80s. When the time came to sign, he signed with Texas A&M. he went on to become an All-American. Go figure.


I still favor the Harvey Williams story. Some older A&M alums claim he changed his mind at the very last second due to A&M's presumption he was heading to College Station.

I was in college at the tail end of the A&M/LSU series in the mid-90s. It always felt like a natural fit. East Texas is borderline coonass in most places anyway.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 5:16 pm to
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LSU can burn in hell.



stupid aggies don't even know they already live in hell over in CS



and this will be both teams big SEC rival



see ya pigs, better find someone else for your super bowl
Posted by Bamainozarks
Nwa
Member since Jan 2011
1392 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 5:32 pm to
I love how you went out of your way to make a jab at arky, boy y'all really don't give a shite about that game do ya.

It's so sad lsu needs a rival so bad they want a&m. Maybe someday you'll find someone that thinks of you more than just a game.
The really sad part is, when Texas comes calling not even a&m will give shite about you. Face it, your a hot bitch who can't get married.
Posted by NastyTiger
Hammond/Baton Rouge/Lafayette
Member since Jun 2005
11271 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 6:08 pm to
I love the Aggies in the SEC and its going to make for a great game every year with LSU.
Posted by RebelWriter
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Feb 2007
3594 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 6:12 pm to
I think that one of LSU's strengths is that they don't have a true rival. Maybe us when we're capable but other than that...no. And that's a good thing. Shouldn't the teams play just as passionately regardless?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 6:26 pm to
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also I believe the story also goes that if they backed out there was a clause in the contract that they could just provide us with a suitable replacement team and LSU said we could put ULaLa in their place

?

More like ...

09-14-1996 Texas A&M 22, Louisiana-Lafayette 29, Lafayette, LA

Yeah, USL wasn't a "Suitable replacement" for A&M.

There was a home-and-away series in 86-87, then a ten-year contract signed through 1997. When the SEC expanded and went to 8 games, LSU couldn't get 7 home games every year. They needed that 7th home game to break even. LSU offered up USL, paid the money and the Aggies subsequently lost to USL and then started crying about how they weren't suitable and they wanted more money.

Stupid Aggies.

And yes, A&M is in the top ten # of games played for LSU, above Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Georgia.

I never could bring myself to hate the pigs, even after a loss, but I hate the Aggies. I agree, with Texas out of the picture I could see LSU and A&M developing into quite a rivalry.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36507 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:07 pm to
Back to the OP, I absolutely hate aggies. They suck, have sucked for some time, will suck for some time, and have only had brief periods of success immediately followed by sanctions and probation.


I think I would commit a homosexual act with a Bama fan before I would go on a date with a hot aggie chick, if such a creature exists. I don't believe it does.
This post was edited on 10/19/11 at 7:08 pm
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 10/19/11 at 8:19 pm to
Every Aggie I know wants LSU to replace Texas as our Thanksgiving weekend game. It is a natural rivalry that goes back over 100 years and 50 games. Lots of history, lots of controversy, lots of hate.

LSU/Arkie has never really worked because the schools aren't natural rivals. They don't really have much in common as LSU, the distance between the schools is more than the miles it is simply a different culture. A&M and LSU however have a great deal in common with both schools having their primary recruiting bases overlapping. A&M and LSU actually were in the same conference briefly over 100 years ago. Then LSU paid A&M for a long time to come out to BR as a buyout game when A&M was an all male, all military school and the Ags still won a few. Of course things heated back up in the '80s when Billy Cannon Jr came to A&M and of course the Harvey Williams last minute commit change only to haunt A&M his entire career. John David Crow was from Louisiana as was Bucky Richardson and many others that were some of A&M's greatest players.

When I was in school the LSU game started the season and it was almost as big as the Texas game, certainly bigger than any of the other SWC games. When my Dad was in school it was a huge deal when A&M beat LSU in BR and he and some of his buddies snagged a sacred paddle out of an LSU frat house after the game (my Dad was there in the Bryant era). LSU would come to A&M and vandalize the campus and it was the only road venue that you didn't have to wear your uniform to if you were in the Corps. It was nasty, but in a good way.

Nothing would make me or most Aggie fans I know happier than to play LSU to end the season and if the rivalry with Texas ever resumes we can just play them early. Screw Texas. Besides it is going to be funny watching play Tech or TCU that weekend and try to act like it is comparable. This is a 100 year decision for A&M and we would be happy to have LSU as our rival for the next 100 years.
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