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Posted on 7/18/20 at 11:54 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 7/18/20 at 11:54 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Downtown B’ham is never going to successfully develop into anything that is lasting until they are able to do something better with the school system. With Jefferson county having 11 different school systems and 10 different city governments it’s never going to be able to pull together and move Jefferson county as a whole forward in a positive manner. Your talking about a county of 658,000 we so much waste that goes on with all the overlapping departments and services. The Government needs to be more centralized and switched to County In order for Birmingham and Jefferson County to succeed.
So far the success in this county and surrounding area has always been to the detriment of a neighboring city or county. They steal business from one another as well as students.
So far the success in this county and surrounding area has always been to the detriment of a neighboring city or county. They steal business from one another as well as students.
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 12:05 pm to Pauldingtiger
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The Government needs to be more centralized and switched to County In order for Birmingham and Jefferson County to succeed.
Sounds good on paper, but it doesn’t mean things would stay or become efficient. That is the model that Nashville has. They just announced a 34% increase in property taxes.
Posted on 7/18/20 at 1:29 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Nashville is a corporate Welfare state. They have paid so many businesses to move here and they have not collected any taxes because of all the tax breaks.
Corporate Welfare is still Welfare. The citizens are always left to pick up the Bill.
Jeff Bezos is a welfare queen.
Corporate Welfare is still Welfare. The citizens are always left to pick up the Bill.
Jeff Bezos is a welfare queen.
Posted on 7/18/20 at 1:36 pm to TrendingRight
You’re an idiot
Posted on 7/18/20 at 4:16 pm to Gary Busey
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Bham can get back to hosting NCAAT games
Would be the tits. Would definitely make the drive from North AL
Posted on 7/18/20 at 4:44 pm to solus
Saw it on the way to Top Golf today. It is coming along nicely. It is going to be awesome when done. Really need a good bar over there and it would be sweet.
Maybe the area will blow up and we can eventually buy out all the crap that is on the other side of top golf and put in some good stuff there.
Maybe the area will blow up and we can eventually buy out all the crap that is on the other side of top golf and put in some good stuff there.
This post was edited on 7/18/20 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 7/18/20 at 4:53 pm to Floyd Dawg
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If you're referring to Cantina Laredo, that place is fantastic. Will be eating there while in town for my trade show.
I think he’s talking about Texas de Brazil and I got bad news for you my friend. That Cantina Laredo isn’t open right now. I think they’re only opening some of the locations.
Posted on 7/18/20 at 4:56 pm to blzr
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You’re an idiot
Dude’s got a weird hate boner for sure. Just because something in fricking Birmingham isn’t beneficial to Auburn or bama doesn’t mean it’s unnecessary. He even mentions how concerts and other events will be some of the primary money makers.
I believe it will be used a good bit for the World Games as well.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 12:53 pm to AA7
World Games are scheduled to be the first event there, a year from now.
A few things:
Legion Field is all the B'ham area has for a municipal stadium. It was built while Calvin Coolidge was president. Bama played their last game there in 2003. The city spends enough on it to keep the rust painted, but it's lipstick on a pig. The city *needed* a new facility. State High School tournament used to be held there as did the SEC championship. Both moved to newer, nicer venues.
Birmingham isn't paying for more than a share of it. Financing was a combination of UAB Football Foundation, local corporate donations, UAB, Jefferson County, and the BJCC (more on them in a sec). County and city both stand to gain on tax dollars from people coming to events via taxes on restaurants and stores, hotel tax, taxis, etc.
The B'ham-Jefferson Civic Center floated the bonds, as UAB is forbidden to. Bond issue included the stadium and a massive overhaul of the Civic Center and convention space. 1990's arena is being brought up to modern specs to include luxury suites, etc. Stadium complex is across a crosswalk from BJCC and includes BJCC meeting/convention space and food. Stadium will be used for UAB Football as anchor tenant but will also be a venue for stadium sized concerts and other events.
The new stadium is state of the art, highly digitally wired, screens everywhere. Far better food and drink choices and a modern open design plan. It will be very nice indeed. Between Lesion Field being a pit in the projects that people were scared to go to and having a brand new stadium that is right off the freeway, home attendance will improve as will season ticket sales. In 70,000 seat Legion Field you could always get a good seat, but in a smaller venue non-ST holders will get pushed to the margins.
UAB has been at or near the top in conference attendance since #TheReturn. The team has won division and conference championships since then. Team is undefeated at home since returning, three straight years. Defense has been NCAA Top Ten the last two years. Birmingham knows good college football, and tickets are cheap and access easy compared to a UA/AU game.
Regarding "why not play on Thursday or Friday night?", UAB plays according to the conference schedule and TV contract. We have played on Thursdays with some success. If we play Friday that puts us up against high school football. That causes conflicts (say a kid in the HS band as well as at UAB) and hard feelings with schools and coaches who fell it cuts into attention and attendance.
As to changing conferences, the obvious target is a move to the AAC. Most of that conference is schools who used to be in C-USA with UAB, and the conference footprint is better than C-USA's huge area. We were left behind on that move, but all of our facilities are far far better than they were then. UAB finally has a bit of autonomy and isn't being actively sabotaged by the Alabama Board of Trustees now, or not as badly anyhow.
UAB will have a tailgate area around the stadium. Uptown is kinda pricey, more aimed at the people coming to conventions, but Five Points South, Lakeview, and Avondale are close by if you're looking for food/drink/party options. I also expect multiple food trucks, as we have had at Legion Field.
With a brand new $20m practice facility and this new stadium, recruiting is going to jump as well, and that's a program's lifeblood so the program just gets better. This is a huge win for B'ham and UAB football, no matter what the naysayers say.
A few things:
Legion Field is all the B'ham area has for a municipal stadium. It was built while Calvin Coolidge was president. Bama played their last game there in 2003. The city spends enough on it to keep the rust painted, but it's lipstick on a pig. The city *needed* a new facility. State High School tournament used to be held there as did the SEC championship. Both moved to newer, nicer venues.
Birmingham isn't paying for more than a share of it. Financing was a combination of UAB Football Foundation, local corporate donations, UAB, Jefferson County, and the BJCC (more on them in a sec). County and city both stand to gain on tax dollars from people coming to events via taxes on restaurants and stores, hotel tax, taxis, etc.
The B'ham-Jefferson Civic Center floated the bonds, as UAB is forbidden to. Bond issue included the stadium and a massive overhaul of the Civic Center and convention space. 1990's arena is being brought up to modern specs to include luxury suites, etc. Stadium complex is across a crosswalk from BJCC and includes BJCC meeting/convention space and food. Stadium will be used for UAB Football as anchor tenant but will also be a venue for stadium sized concerts and other events.
The new stadium is state of the art, highly digitally wired, screens everywhere. Far better food and drink choices and a modern open design plan. It will be very nice indeed. Between Lesion Field being a pit in the projects that people were scared to go to and having a brand new stadium that is right off the freeway, home attendance will improve as will season ticket sales. In 70,000 seat Legion Field you could always get a good seat, but in a smaller venue non-ST holders will get pushed to the margins.
UAB has been at or near the top in conference attendance since #TheReturn. The team has won division and conference championships since then. Team is undefeated at home since returning, three straight years. Defense has been NCAA Top Ten the last two years. Birmingham knows good college football, and tickets are cheap and access easy compared to a UA/AU game.
Regarding "why not play on Thursday or Friday night?", UAB plays according to the conference schedule and TV contract. We have played on Thursdays with some success. If we play Friday that puts us up against high school football. That causes conflicts (say a kid in the HS band as well as at UAB) and hard feelings with schools and coaches who fell it cuts into attention and attendance.
As to changing conferences, the obvious target is a move to the AAC. Most of that conference is schools who used to be in C-USA with UAB, and the conference footprint is better than C-USA's huge area. We were left behind on that move, but all of our facilities are far far better than they were then. UAB finally has a bit of autonomy and isn't being actively sabotaged by the Alabama Board of Trustees now, or not as badly anyhow.
UAB will have a tailgate area around the stadium. Uptown is kinda pricey, more aimed at the people coming to conventions, but Five Points South, Lakeview, and Avondale are close by if you're looking for food/drink/party options. I also expect multiple food trucks, as we have had at Legion Field.
With a brand new $20m practice facility and this new stadium, recruiting is going to jump as well, and that's a program's lifeblood so the program just gets better. This is a huge win for B'ham and UAB football, no matter what the naysayers say.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 1:27 pm to Pauldingtiger
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Downtown B’ham is never going to successfully develop into anything that is lasting until they are able to do something better with the school system.
I agree somewhat, however I do think downtown... particularly on the South side... can become a hot spot for young families with kids not old enough for school. You're already starting to see this in Avondale.
It used to be that young people could live in Homewood before they had kids and then choose to move to Mountain Brook, Vestavia, or down Hwy 280 when they grew their family and needed more space. The problem now is that Homewood is mostly out-of-reach for young marrieds with infant kids. The average price in Edgewood is now over $500,000 and its becoming fairly common to see houses close in the $800K to $1 million + range. Hollywood has always been pricey. You can still find decent prices in West Homewood but even it is becoming very pricey especially for what you get.
Kids that grew up in Mountain Brook, Homewood, and Vestavia Hills typically don't want to live way down Hwy 280 or I-65. They want to be closer to the action downtown. Just ten years ago, it was very common for kids right out of college to buy homes in Homewood or Crestline Park (technically Bhm city limits). Both those areas are getting two pricey now. The next logical place for young professionals in their late '20s and early '30s to start buying homes is downtown.
It's already begun and I think you'll see it ramp up even more so in the coming years.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 1:29 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Maybe the area will blow up and we can eventually buy out all the crap that is on the other side of top golf and put in some good stuff there.
Already in the works:
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This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 1:32 pm to TrendingRight
This didn't pick up as a reply. Sorry, new bulletin board format to me.
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"This is a small stadium in the College football capital of the world for a shitty team that will never compete for a NC. It's a waste of money for a glorified high School Stadium that will never see a "BIG" game other than a State High School Championship. UAB football is a bastard stepchild that should have been put out of its misery long ago. UAB won't be able to sell out this stadium. It should have built an on-campus a 20,000 seater - and that still would have been too big.
Alabama and Auburn are the only big-time teams in the state of Alabama that can support themselves. UAB and almost all other FCS teams are welfare programs - tax burdens on ALabama citizens. Subsidizing FCS teams is not a good thing. Charity has more urgent needs than a $170 million stadium for a shitty bottomfeeder program with a tiny fanbase in a state with two Goliath programs UAB will never play or be able to compete with. Neither Auburn or Alabama will ever play a game at this stadium. It's a vanity project for a very small group of UAB alumni businessmen who lobbied to get Alabama citizens to pay for with tax dollars. The new stadium will make more money and fill more seats with concerts and monster truck events than football games.
It's time to face that fact some colleges shouldn't have football teams. If a team can't support itself financially it shouldn't exist."
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UAB Football does not cost you a nickel in tax dollars. It gets some subsidy money from UAB, but UAB is the source of roughly 60% of the income of the University of Alabama system, with the other 40 coming from UAT and UAH.
Any other school who wants to build a facility or expand one, say Bryant-Denny, issues construction bonds. UAB is not allowed to. We have to pay cash for what we want. That new $20m football complex was paid for by the UAB boosters and fans, no UAB money at all in it.
This is nonsense. No one builds a big project or buys a house without financing it. A bond issue or mortgage is totally normal, but for anything we want to do we have to raise the cash for in advance before we can start.
The up side is that the UAB boosters and fans can do pretty much anything they want to - as long as they can pay for it.
That's the reason that the bonds were issued by the BJCC. UAB isn't allowed to issue bonds - or to build their own on campus stadium. Verboten.
As to "Won't compete for a NC", not won't, can't. Not allowed to. We're a G5 program. Look at UCF, three straight unbeaten seasons were not enough to be allowed into the cartel's football tournament.
What we can do is to compete for our conference championship, and we've won one after coming back from the dead. You don't value that, that's fine. We have a team we love and we got it back. It's bigger and better than it has ever been. You don't like it, lump it. Go watch your team and quit crapping on mine.
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"This is a small stadium in the College football capital of the world for a shitty team that will never compete for a NC. It's a waste of money for a glorified high School Stadium that will never see a "BIG" game other than a State High School Championship. UAB football is a bastard stepchild that should have been put out of its misery long ago. UAB won't be able to sell out this stadium. It should have built an on-campus a 20,000 seater - and that still would have been too big.
Alabama and Auburn are the only big-time teams in the state of Alabama that can support themselves. UAB and almost all other FCS teams are welfare programs - tax burdens on ALabama citizens. Subsidizing FCS teams is not a good thing. Charity has more urgent needs than a $170 million stadium for a shitty bottomfeeder program with a tiny fanbase in a state with two Goliath programs UAB will never play or be able to compete with. Neither Auburn or Alabama will ever play a game at this stadium. It's a vanity project for a very small group of UAB alumni businessmen who lobbied to get Alabama citizens to pay for with tax dollars. The new stadium will make more money and fill more seats with concerts and monster truck events than football games.
It's time to face that fact some colleges shouldn't have football teams. If a team can't support itself financially it shouldn't exist."
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UAB Football does not cost you a nickel in tax dollars. It gets some subsidy money from UAB, but UAB is the source of roughly 60% of the income of the University of Alabama system, with the other 40 coming from UAT and UAH.
Any other school who wants to build a facility or expand one, say Bryant-Denny, issues construction bonds. UAB is not allowed to. We have to pay cash for what we want. That new $20m football complex was paid for by the UAB boosters and fans, no UAB money at all in it.
This is nonsense. No one builds a big project or buys a house without financing it. A bond issue or mortgage is totally normal, but for anything we want to do we have to raise the cash for in advance before we can start.
The up side is that the UAB boosters and fans can do pretty much anything they want to - as long as they can pay for it.
That's the reason that the bonds were issued by the BJCC. UAB isn't allowed to issue bonds - or to build their own on campus stadium. Verboten.
As to "Won't compete for a NC", not won't, can't. Not allowed to. We're a G5 program. Look at UCF, three straight unbeaten seasons were not enough to be allowed into the cartel's football tournament.
What we can do is to compete for our conference championship, and we've won one after coming back from the dead. You don't value that, that's fine. We have a team we love and we got it back. It's bigger and better than it has ever been. You don't like it, lump it. Go watch your team and quit crapping on mine.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:08 pm to Old UAB Fan
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:13 pm to BHMKyle
Irondale is looking to be the next stop. I've noticed young couples moving that direction. Some nice houses inbetween downtown Irondale and Mountain Brook that are far more affordable that what you see in Homewood and Avondale right now.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:35 pm to Ssubba
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Irondale is looking to be the next stop. I've noticed young couples moving that direction. Some nice houses inbetween downtown Irondale and Mountain Brook that are far more affordable that what you see in Homewood and Avondale right now.
One of my friends flipped a house in Irondale. Bought it for $120k and sold it for just over $200k recently. Crestwood and Avondale are definitely starting to spill into that area. I'm in Crestwood and the housing market here is freaking booming.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:36 pm to Old UAB Fan
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World Games are scheduled to be the first event there, a year from now.
World Games were moved to 2022.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:44 pm to AA7
The crestwood housing market is such bullshite right now. What people are asking and getting for houses that are in need of some legit serious work is unreal. I was looking at a house the other day that was asking for $350k, and I was going to have to complete re-do the entire foundation of the house and gut the basement and redo it because of mold from the foundation issues.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:49 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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The crestwood housing market is such bull shite right now. What people are asking and getting for houses that are in need of some legit serious work is unreal. I was looking at a house the other day that was asking for $350k, and I was going to have to complete re-do the entire foundation of the house and gut the basement and redo it because of mold from the foundation issues.
We bought our house about 3 years ago and we could probably sell it for $100k more than what we paid. But ours is in really good shape.
There are absolutely some people that have lost their minds when it comes to listing prices.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:50 pm to AA7
I don't even know if they've lost their minds, because people are buying them. They aren't staying on the market for long. People are still buying these pieces of crap and aren't even fixing them. It is a really weird place right now.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:51 pm to Pauldingtiger
Sounds like David Sher
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