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Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:28 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:28 am to Bench McElroy
It be really rare for a G5 team to be in the top ten in the rankings.
Im guessing UCF is probably the only team to do this and it took 25 straight wins. Im ok with that.
I don't think a G5 team needs to be automatically in the playoffs
Im guessing UCF is probably the only team to do this and it took 25 straight wins. Im ok with that.
I don't think a G5 team needs to be automatically in the playoffs
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Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:30 am to MeatPants
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It be really rare for a G5 team to be in the top ten in the rankings.
Im guessing UCF is probably the only team to do this and it took 25 straight wins. Im ok with that.
I don't think a G5 team needs to be automatically in the playoffs
UCF the last 2 years, Boise State would have made the cut a few times in their run. Maybe that UCF team with Bortles. And, honestly, outside of that........is there anybody else that everyone thought should be there?
It would honestly do the job of sifting the wheat pretty well I think. It would give a pretty clear path to a really, really good G5 team, but it wouldn't automatically reward a group that doesn't always (or even usually) have a team that should be rewarded with that.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
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If we are going to do 8-teams, I think the best way to do it is like they used to do the BCS in regards to a G5 team
- 5 conference champs (stipulation you MUST be ranked in the Top 10 after championship game, if not, your spot is given up)
If you go to 8 teams you can't put the stipulation for being top 10 because that is subjective and can be easily manipulated by human bias. If you win your conference championship game you are in regardless if you are 8-4 or 11-1.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:32 am to MSHawg1
According to most analytical measures, UCFs toughest game (@Memphis) would be the 7th hardest game on Bama’s schedule. An actual contender’s trap games are the biggest games on UCFs schedule
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:34 am to Jake_LaMotta
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If you go to 8 teams you can't put the stipulation for being top 10 because that is subjective and can be easily manipulated by human bias. If you win your conference championship game you are in regardless if you are 8-4 or 11-1.
You could, or you could revert back to a computer formula.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
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You could, or you could revert back to a computer formula.
I would be all for an 8 team playoff that uses the old BCS model. Top 8 teams are in. No matter conference affiliation etc.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:52 am to Jake_LaMotta
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If you go to 8 teams you can't put the stipulation for being top 10 because that is subjective and can be easily manipulated by human bias.
What about putting in a stipulation that Power 5 conference champions need to win at least 80% of their games against Power 5 competition to be eligible? That would eliminate the human bias aspect.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:55 am to MSHawg1
"You also cannot give a legit reason why OU has a better resume than OSU this season. "
A 29 point loss to Purdue, an unranked team with a 10% chance to win the game, at home, would say otherwise.
A 29 point loss to Purdue, an unranked team with a 10% chance to win the game, at home, would say otherwise.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:00 am to DocYates
The OU vs OSU debate is hard this year.
Ohio State definitely has a the worst heinous loss, but they also have a dominating win over a top team late in the year. Oklahoma doesn't have close to that performance
Its kind of what you prefer. If you think the worst loss is the best measure of a team or the better win is the best measure
IMO, I would go with that performance vs Michigan as a team worthy to play for a title. But you are definitely splitting hairs
Ohio State definitely has a the worst heinous loss, but they also have a dominating win over a top team late in the year. Oklahoma doesn't have close to that performance
Its kind of what you prefer. If you think the worst loss is the best measure of a team or the better win is the best measure
IMO, I would go with that performance vs Michigan as a team worthy to play for a title. But you are definitely splitting hairs
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:06 am to MeatPants
UCF was 12th in the CFP rankings last year so they wouldn't have made it.
Im guessing that one Boise State team awhile ago and this year's UCF would have been the only one's to qualify if you use the "top ten" standard.
And I bet it would be hard pressed to see another G5 team in the top ten in the future
Im guessing that one Boise State team awhile ago and this year's UCF would have been the only one's to qualify if you use the "top ten" standard.
And I bet it would be hard pressed to see another G5 team in the top ten in the future
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:14 am to MSHawg1
quote:People want to laugh about them but they beat Auburn and Auburn was the only team to beat the NC last year.
a UCF team that has won 25 consecutive games never getting the opportunity to play for a championship.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:20 am to MSHawg1
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Half the schools are excluded before the season even begins.
Like Arkansas?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:24 am to AuburnCO08
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It’d be like if the CFL and the NFL merged.
Different leagues. Like FCS and FBS. For this analogy to apply to G5/P5, G5 would need to be its own system with its own playoff.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:43 am to International_Aggie
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Like Arkansas?
Lol. A&M hasn't won a national title since '39. Arkansas has won 2 since then
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:03 pm to MSHawg1
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NCAA Division 1 FBS Football is the only sport in this country
Where you can win every game you play and never even have the opportunity to play for the Championship.
Wrong. IMG Academy in Bradenton can't compete for a championship if they win every game.
The main thing here is the logistics of major college football games are insane and football is not a sport you can play more than once a week. I know the rare exception of a short week, but that is uncommon.
Everyone wants to change it to include more teams, but if you go to 8 teams because it works this year, just try and apply it to last year and it doesn't work. 10-3 Auburn would have gotten in over the following teams who were ranked lower:
#7 Auburn 10-3
#8 USC 11-2
#9 Penn State 10-2
#10 Miami 10-2
#11 Washington 10-2
#12 Central Fla 12-0
So in an 8 game playoff, Auburn gets in at 10-3 while a bunch of 2 loss teams are left out with undefeated Cent Fla?
Everyone likes to look at the current year and say 'this' way or 'that' way would be better but none of them hold up to perfection year after year. It is always different and unpredictable every year.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:58 pm to MSHawg1
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You also cannot give a legit reason why OU has a better resume than OSU this season
OU's only loss was at a neutral site, in a rivalry game by a game winning (losing?) field goal to a team that finished in the top 15.
OU lost by 29 points to a team that finished 6-6.
GTFO of here with that.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:16 pm to MSHawg1
It's also the only sport where second-tier programs just aren't generally in the same class as first-tier. College basketball used to be like that, but the smaller schools have been catching up like crazy, mainly because the difference between winning streak and a losing streak can come down to a single player. College baseball was always fairly egalitarian.
Football is just too complex with too many factors for the second-tier programs to reasonably be expected to compete with the best on a regular basis. There are upsets, obviously, but I'd guess that, as a percentage of the whole, far fewer second-tier over first-tier in CFB than any other major sport. They just can't get enough horses to even things up. Even the most ardent UCF fan...er, anti-Bama fan can't seriously argue UCF would win ten games as an SEC team, let alone go undefeated.
Football is just too complex with too many factors for the second-tier programs to reasonably be expected to compete with the best on a regular basis. There are upsets, obviously, but I'd guess that, as a percentage of the whole, far fewer second-tier over first-tier in CFB than any other major sport. They just can't get enough horses to even things up. Even the most ardent UCF fan...er, anti-Bama fan can't seriously argue UCF would win ten games as an SEC team, let alone go undefeated.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:24 pm to RollTide1987
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Reduce the length of the regular season from 12 games to 10 games, have every conference conduct a conference championship game for automatic qualifiers, and then choose the three remaining at-large teams with a committee.
Never happen
Teams wouldn't be able to pay their bills and the bills of the women sports that don't make money.
Don't forget that Football has 85 men on scholarship
Those 85 scholarships have to be offset by women scholarships for some non money making sport.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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UCF the last 2 years, Boise State would have made the cut a few times in their run. Maybe that UCF team with Bortles. And, honestly, outside of that........is there anybody else that everyone thought should be there?
We'll continue having this debate simply because the reasons Boise State and UCF reached the heights they did wasn't because they had magical seasons, it's because they are both large schools with a habit of taking students that couldn't qualify elsewhere. They will remain like this. Not just athletes but regular students. So they get a lot of talented players who were academically borderline that don't want to go the JC/CC route. It adds up eventually, especially if you have a coach with the ability to take advantage of the situation.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:49 pm to MSHawg1
Instead of expanding the playoffs to include the little guys, a better solution May be to reduce the size of FBS.
There is simply too much trash in the heap. So, teams will get lost in the mix, but that is part of life
There is simply too much trash in the heap. So, teams will get lost in the mix, but that is part of life
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