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re: My plea for a factual explanation of how TM7 hit on Dre was Dirty/Flagrant
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:49 am to Eighteen
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:49 am to Eighteen
Lsu fans are trying way too hard.
Admit it, tm made a cheap play.
And how often does a player make a point to apologize?
Twitter apology = pr move
Sigh, why is this so difficult?
Admit it, tm made a cheap play.
And how often does a player make a point to apologize?
Twitter apology = pr move
Sigh, why is this so difficult?
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Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:52 am to razthecat
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"shite I got beat, gotta slow this guy down"
I honestly think this is what he was trying to do. And, other than trash talking, there hasn't been a single instance in TM7's career where he's done something physically on the field that would be considered questionable, as it pertains to him trying to be dirty or attempting to injure one of his opponents.
As for if I agree with it. Not really. Even if it is a technique that they practice, I don't think there should be any technique taught where you attempt to perform any kind of maneuver on a player once they are past you. And, to be honest, I think the technique he is referring to isn't meant to be performed once a player is in front of you, which is why TM7 appeared to lunge forward and wrap is arm around the front of Kirkpatrick.
LSU fans saying there's nothing wrong with it, or Kirkpatrick is a pussy, or anything of the like, are wrong IMO.
Alabama fans saying that TM7 was singing for the head, or that he did in fact hit Kirkpatrick in the head, IMO, are absolutely wrong.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:54 am to memphisplaya
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memphisplaya
Not the angle I was looking for. I wanted something from the front to show where he landed that fist when it went around.
For the sake of being civil, and lack of proof, and quite possibly being mistaken, I'll lay off the argument of being hit in the head. But I still say dirty play.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:54 am to TigerBwoy
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LSU fans saying there's nothing wrong with it, or Kirkpatrick is a pussy, or anything of the like, are wrong IMO.
Alabama fans saying that TM7 was singing for the head, or that he did in fact hit Kirkpatrick in the head, IMO, are absolutely wrong.
It was a stupid play for sure, and should have (and was) flagged. It was a half the distance penalty anyway so 5 yards difference meant nothing
It was NOT a dirty play at all, and had Dre not gotten hurt it would be a non issue. Gumps just want to use anything against the kid because he is a great player and it irritates them
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:54 am to MagicCityBlazer
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MagicCityBlazer
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And how often does a player make a point to apologize?
Rarely
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Twitter apology = pr move
Would mean the above would happen more often than it does, right?
I am sure TM respects the hell out of Dre. And, if you look at TM's twitter history, it is certainly not used as a PR machine
I honestly think you have zero clue.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:55 am to MagicCityBlazer
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MagicCityBlazer
It was not a cheap shot. It was an agressive kid trying the best he could to make a play. Cheap shot is an action with intent. This play was a reaction with bad timing. Still should have been more than holding but officials make mistakes too.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:56 am to genro
Hey dumbass gump (redundant) the definition is
LINK
It's also about not injuring the opposing players. That spear was also LATE!!!
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Football: To block (an opponent) by ramming with the helmet, in violation of the rules
LINK
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Lowering your helmet to tackle is not a spear. It is just poor technique. That is why Danielson says "they're trying to get defenses not to do this." It can cause major neck injuries. Are there no decent high school football coaches in Louisiana?
It's also about not injuring the opposing players. That spear was also LATE!!!
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:58 am to los angeles tiger
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Hey dumbass gump (redundant)
Uncalled for. Stay calm, man. It's too late for high blood pressure.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:59 am to T Rey WI
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It was not a cheap shot. It was an agressive kid trying the best he could to make a play. Cheap shot is an action with intent. This play was a reaction with bad timing. Still should have been more than holding but officials make mistakes too.
I don't think it could be said any better. I hate that Kirkpatrick was injured. I enjoy watching him play the game as much as I do any player in the country that isn't on LSU, and was extremely pleased to hear he was OK for his next game.
I just absolutely love it when we can have actual objective conversation on this board.
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T Rey WI
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:00 am to TotalYatMove
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There are plenty of cheap shots in football that are technically legal
Like what? I honestly don;t believe they allow any type of play that would be deemed a cheap shot.
Ok, you have never played football. That's ok.
Legal cheapshots (off the top of my head):
Crackback block away from the play
Stepping on ankles in trenches
Pulling a player down by his hair
The "one-man" chopblock (diving at back of knee or ankles, perfectly legal if he's not already being blocked.)
The swim-technique-to-elbow by a WR
I can think of more.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:02 am to genro
Memphis just for shits and giggles, can you zoom in on the forward shot and slow it down the same way? I just want to see where the fist landed.
I can't find a still image of it anywhere.
I can't find a still image of it anywhere.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:02 am to TigerBwoy
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LSU fans saying there's nothing wrong with it, or Kirkpatrick is a pussy, or anything of the like, are wrong IMO.
Haven't heard anyone say this.
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Alabama fans saying that TM7 was singing for the head, or that he did in fact hit Kirkpatrick in the head, IMO, are absolutely wrong.
About 99% of bama fans swear to this
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:02 am to los angeles tiger
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Football: To block (an opponent) by ramming with the helmet, in violation of the rules
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That spear was also LATE!!!
It wasn't a block and it wasn't late. Even by pussy NFL standards that wouldn't be roughing.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 2:04 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:03 am to genro
My point is if it's legal, it should be considered as possible by all players, and therefore it isn't a cheap shot.
My definition of cheap shot is one that is not expected because it is not within the rules of the game. We clearly have differing opinions of the definition of a cheap shot.
Honest misunderstanding, imo.
eta: And your efforts to flame are noted. I am too tired to take the bait at this point. I did play football, though honestly, not very well
My definition of cheap shot is one that is not expected because it is not within the rules of the game. We clearly have differing opinions of the definition of a cheap shot.
Honest misunderstanding, imo.
eta: And your efforts to flame are noted. I am too tired to take the bait at this point. I did play football, though honestly, not very well
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 2:05 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:04 am to RollTideRockStar
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Not the angle I was looking for. I wanted something from the front to show where he landed that fist when it went around.
there isn't another angle available.
It's on the shoulder just below the pad in the pectoral region.
He would have to be made of elastic for his tiny arms to reach his head at that angle with the way Dre was being pulled down.
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For the sake of being civil,
I thank you for that, but that opportunity has gone out the window.
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and quite possibly being mistaken
There is no possibly. You were mistaken.
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I'll lay off the argument of being hit in the head
Because it didn't happen?
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But I still say dirty play.
Not if Dre doesn't fall it's not. Momentum caused that fall, not Mathieu.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:04 am to TotalYatMove
Yat, arrogance like this from him when he was quickly proven to be wrong is why he got that response.
He starts with the ever condescending comment and states this. I quickly went to an online dictionary that gave the definition that I posted with link. He also fails to see it for being a cheap hit by his players. It was also a late hit on a quarterback with Bama ref Ritter staring at it and not throwing a flag.
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It's amazing how many LSU fans don't know the definition of spearing.
Spearing means leaping off the ground (ie, using your body as a spear) and jarring the opponent with your helmet
He starts with the ever condescending comment and states this. I quickly went to an online dictionary that gave the definition that I posted with link. He also fails to see it for being a cheap hit by his players. It was also a late hit on a quarterback with Bama ref Ritter staring at it and not throwing a flag.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:05 am to RollTideRockStar
ForwARd shot?
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:06 am to los angeles tiger
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los angeles tiger
Yeah, you went to an online dictionary.
But you don't know the difference between a block and a tackle. And if you think that's late you're crazy. Tell me how he could've possibly stopped his momentum.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:08 am to los angeles tiger
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Yat, arrogance like this from him when he was quickly proven to be wrong is why he got that response.
Meh, you can't control what someone else says. I'll rephrase "uncalled for" to "not necessary". Flaming generalizations are in fact asking for a like response. Sometimes it's better to go the unexpected route with your response.
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