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re: Must read this article on the destruction of college football!
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:32 pm to Loup
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:32 pm to Loup
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really don't care. it's about what's right and what's wrong. Allowing student athletes to make money with their name and such is right.
Very few are against the players getting a piece of the pie. But there is no major team sport in America where athletes are compensated that doesn’t have a salary cap or method of ensuring some form of competitive balance. Not to mention a rule contractually binding players to teams for some minimum time period so that fans (the revenue) have any reason to care about individual players and roster management. The NFL would be a disaster without a salary cap and player contracts. So will college football.
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:36 pm to Loup
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Allowing student athletes to make money with their name and such is right.
Most people don't disagree with this. The transfer portal is the main issue here.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:40 pm to samson73103
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They were already getting a free education. Also, lots of perks go with being on athletic scholarship at a Division 1 school.
I'd agree with you if it were the school paying them. If Joe Blow who owns a car dealership wants to pay a student athlete to be in a couple of advertisements then idk how you could say that's wrong.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:41 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Very few are against the players getting a piece of the pie. But there is no major team sport in America where athletes are compensated that doesn’t have a salary cap or method of ensuring some form of competitive balance.
It's not really a salary, though. It isn't the school paying them. It's more like Patrick Mahomes doing insurance commercials. That's not under his salary cap.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:41 pm to Loup
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i really don't care. it's about what's right and what's wrong. Allowing student athletes to make money with their name and such is right.
Great.
That's not even close to what is going on. What we have now is not people making money by selling ads/brands because of who they are.
What we have is unrestricted free agency, and the only thing being bought and sold is talent.
Everything that has happened was predicted to happen when they started to allow this stuff, right down to the collectives themselves. It will destroy the game if they don't do something.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:44 pm to 3down10
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. It will destroy the game if they don't do something.
So what. If it can only exist if we say players can't make money off their name then maybe it should be destroyed.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:56 pm to Loup
It’s cute that people think these players are actually being paid for their NIL. Ask yourself this, EVERY athlete at major programs is getting paid. How many are you seeing in ads or on TV commercials or doing personal appearances? Yeah, exactly.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:02 pm to JetDawg
Unless the soccer nerds keep breeding football in all forms will forever be popular in this country. NIL and portal be damned
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:02 pm to Loup
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So what. If it can only exist if we say players can't make money off their name then maybe it should be destroyed.
Well then you lose about 180,000+ scholarships that are given out to students across the country every year. Only about $3.6 billion worth of free education to Americans.
All because ignorant people like you don't understand the difference between revenue and profit.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:26 pm to Bamafig
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How many are you seeing in ads or on TV commercials or doing personal appearances? Yeah, exactly.
I see 5 or 6 on billboards driving to work every day.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:30 pm to Loup
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i really don't care. it's about what's right and what's wrong. Allowing student athletes to make money with their name and such is right.
Is it right or wrong that in the process of paying the athletes, people stop caring about CFB and the money dries up?
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:52 pm to Bamafig
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It’s cute that people think these players are actually being paid for their NIL. Ask yourself this, EVERY athlete at major programs is getting paid. How many are you seeing in ads or on TV commercials or doing personal appearances? Yeah, exactly.
Very true. This system isn't anything about actual NIL. And it really isn't about players getting paid.
It most closely resembles a "Bachelor Auction" where the Bachelor gets to keep the money. And right now it looks like you can basically auction yourself off once a year
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:14 pm to JetDawg
Much of this article is dead-on. In the old days, the only way that a program could be quickly dismantled was for the NCAA enforcement committee to limit scholarships, issue show-causes, and prohibit postseason competition. Now a coach can get a better job, and a team can disintegrate virtually overnight.
But this is the more pressing angle for us. I know you guys have enjoyed the past week or so of watching players leave Alabama. You guys hate Alabama, but I'm sure that we all love college football as we have come to know it. But listen carefully: if a program that has consistently been on top of college football for basically the entire lives of these players can be picked apart like this, then the nadir of the sport is coming quickly. There must be some kind of reform to this thing before it spirals completely out of control, and perhaps it took Daddy Alabama taking it on the chin to get the ball (or tide) rolling.
But this is the more pressing angle for us. I know you guys have enjoyed the past week or so of watching players leave Alabama. You guys hate Alabama, but I'm sure that we all love college football as we have come to know it. But listen carefully: if a program that has consistently been on top of college football for basically the entire lives of these players can be picked apart like this, then the nadir of the sport is coming quickly. There must be some kind of reform to this thing before it spirals completely out of control, and perhaps it took Daddy Alabama taking it on the chin to get the ball (or tide) rolling.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:17 pm to JetDawg
There's no putting the genie back in this bottle. Whole thing blew up in the 90s with the first huge TV contracts and $1mm coaches salaries. A multi billion dollar industry, with some employees making $5mm+ per year, isn't going to be able to continue functioning where some of the most important contributors are just getting free college tuition.
If you want to restrict players from the transfer portal then you have to admit they're employees. NCAA has already shown they're not willing to fight these lawsuits trying to argue that students can't transfer schools.
If players are employees they are going to get collective bargaining.
If players get collective bargaining they'll probably get ~50% of revenues, with other pro sports leagues used as a benchmark.
If you want to watch old school college athletics where student athletes are playing, go watch a Sewanee game.
If you want to restrict players from the transfer portal then you have to admit they're employees. NCAA has already shown they're not willing to fight these lawsuits trying to argue that students can't transfer schools.
If players are employees they are going to get collective bargaining.
If players get collective bargaining they'll probably get ~50% of revenues, with other pro sports leagues used as a benchmark.
If you want to watch old school college athletics where student athletes are playing, go watch a Sewanee game.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:29 pm to JetDawg
I was listening to Josh Pate who noted that lost in this noise Washington by graduation, the draft or the portal is down 20 of 22 starters.
It’s not just us, and the next time the portal opens for everyone it’s going to be even worse. We’re just priming the pump for what’s to come.
The NCAA had better get a handle on the portal and damn quick. Otherwise it’s going to be an all out public bidding war which nobody really wants, not even the teams which think they have all the money in the world.
It’s not just us, and the next time the portal opens for everyone it’s going to be even worse. We’re just priming the pump for what’s to come.
The NCAA had better get a handle on the portal and damn quick. Otherwise it’s going to be an all out public bidding war which nobody really wants, not even the teams which think they have all the money in the world.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:39 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:Unless you're under 35, college football "as we know it" has been gone for a long time now. It all depends on ones definition of what college football should or shouldn't be.
I was promised by many on this board the issues happening wouldn't ruin College Football as we know it. ?
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:42 pm to JetDawg
I read it.
He talks a lot about MLB. I don't watch MLB.
I do think they need to have salary caps.
He talks a lot about MLB. I don't watch MLB.
I do think they need to have salary caps.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:44 pm to Gunga Din
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Fair enough. But is it right to allow students into said school who don't meet the schools academic requirements.
Is it right that the academic standards for even a place like Stanford are lowered to allow jocks into school?
It would not be right if they were taking a students spot who was academically eligible but not many schools take in all academically eligible applicants. Stanford made the decision to do so, I would imagine the Stanford alumni and folks who run the place know more about it than I do...
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:48 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Very few are against the players getting a piece of the pie. But there is no major team sport in America where athletes are compensated that doesn’t have a salary cap or method of ensuring some form of competitive balance. Not to mention a rule contractually binding players to teams for some minimum time period so that fans (the revenue) have any reason to care about individual players and roster management. The NFL would be a disaster without a salary cap and player contracts. So will college football.
There is also no pro sports league in the US with 130+ franchises. Pro sports enjoy a defacto anti-trust exemption that allows them to operate the way they do. Its relatively easy to wrangle 30 or so cats when you can pull their sand box out from under them. Harder to do with 130+ and nobody even close to being on the same page.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:53 pm to Loup
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It's not really a salary, though. It isn't the school paying them. It's more like Patrick Mahomes doing insurance commercials. That's not under his salary cap.
It is not at all unusual for an employment contract to provide for sanction if the employee engages in certain activities including operating a side hustle. Very common. If they were employees they could be bound to a contract and bound to a salary cap...but they'd be employees and the university does not want that. There would still be the issue if having everyone agree to the same contract language...its not hard to imagine school a telling their employees they can do anything they want on their time and having an advantage until school b follows suit.
What's going on is free enterprise doing what it does. Pure market forces at work. No one will ever own it but the market can't answer the bell. Its not a matter of it taking a long time to answer the bell, its a matter of the bell ringing and the market being impotent to do anything about its pealing.
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