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re: Mullen tells the fans stars don't matter
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:48 pm to momentoftruth87
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:48 pm to momentoftruth87
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Don't disagree about your line, but even still, Dak is nowhere near college Tebow.
I think you're putting w/L records in there which is about the team, not the player.
Passing:
Dak 734/1169 for 9,376 yards, 62.8%, 70 TD, 23 INT.
Tebow 661/995 for 9,285 yards 66.4%, 88 TD, 16 INT.
Rushing:
Dak 536 carries for 2,521 yards, 4.7 avg, 41 TD
Tebow 692 carries for 2,947 yards, 4.3 avg, 57 TD
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:54 pm to troyt37
I imagine those passer ratings aren’t even close.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:59 pm to Drebin
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His point is that it's easier to hold your own when you play the "big boys" because your team is in tact due to the less challenging conference slate.
When Alabama gets there, they have survived a gauntlet, and usually have sustained some significant injuries along the way, like last year.
I agree that the SEC West has been a gauntlet the last decade, and that makes the need for quality depth more critical. SEC East hasnt been anything special (recent UGA excepted)... I think it is silly to puff up about the mighty SEC if half the conference is nothing special. SEC West I recognize it's a gauntlet.
And our regular season strength of schedule has been better than half the SEC West the past couple of years.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:06 pm to momentoftruth87
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Dak in college is nowhere comparable to Tebow
Ignorant statement.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:14 pm to TJGator1215
Stars only don't matter when you don't get em.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:21 pm to I Bleed Garnet
stars don't matter. Getting as many elite recruits as possible does though. Recruiting stars are wrong often. The best teams get the pick of pretty much anyone they want so they can pick the best players out of he 5 stars, that is why it looks likes stars matter. But the actual ratings don't matter, just the players.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:24 pm to ReadR00ster
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stars don't matter. Getting as many elite recruits as possible does though. Recruiting stars are wrong often. The best teams get the pick of pretty much anyone they want so they can pick the best players out of he 5 stars, that is why it looks likes stars matter. But the actual ratings don't matter, just the players.
But haven't they showed that the last 10 or so national champs have averaged atleast atop 15 recruiting class among the 4 classes on their teams?
people like to say the NFL has more 3 stars than 5 stars in it but thats because theres what? 20-30 5 stars a class every year compared to what hundreds of 2 and 3 stars?
I bet the %s are more in favor of the 5 stars, of course the totals would favor 2 and 3
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This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:25 pm to ReadR00ster
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stars don't matter. Getting as many elite recruits as possible does though. Recruiting stars are wrong often. The best teams get the pick of pretty much anyone they want so they can pick the best players out of he 5 stars, that is why it looks likes stars matter. But the actual ratings don't matter, just the players.
This is just full of contradiction
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:26 pm to ReadR00ster
Boise state was able to play with a bunch of 4th and 5th year players and they were able to beat teams relying on 18, 19, and 20 year olds with lots of talent but little development and experience.
Missouri has had success taking fast linebackers and developing their bodies to become great linemen and defensive ends.
There are a lot of ways to compete against the "stars" system.
However, depth is a huge factor over the course of a long season. When Alec Ogletree got hurt against Boise State, we replaced him with walkon Jeremy Sulek. Advantage Boise State.
The success of top recruiting teams as a whole can't be ignored.
Missouri has had success taking fast linebackers and developing their bodies to become great linemen and defensive ends.
There are a lot of ways to compete against the "stars" system.
However, depth is a huge factor over the course of a long season. When Alec Ogletree got hurt against Boise State, we replaced him with walkon Jeremy Sulek. Advantage Boise State.
The success of top recruiting teams as a whole can't be ignored.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:47 pm to djsdawg
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I imagine those passer ratings aren’t even close.
Dak 146.0
Tebow 170.8
Which doesn't look close, but anyone who wouldn't celebrate having a QB with a 146.0 over 4 years is an idiot.
Deshaun Watson 157.5
Aaron Murray 158.6
Matt Stafford 133.3
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:55 pm to Mootsman
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Yeah like Josh Dobbs.
Dobbs was a 4 star, and the only reason he came to Tennessee was because of our aerospace engineering program. Lyle just fell arse backwards into a great player.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:55 pm to CivilTiger83
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And our regular season strength of schedule has been better than half the SEC West the past couple of years.
True, BUT prior to 2015 y’all never sniffed the Top 20 in SoS. What changed to make you jump so high? [answer: your much easier path to the CFP]
You are assigned such a high SoS for no other reason than you will usually win your conference.
For comparison
Strength of Schedule 2010-2017
MSState: 16, 28, 43, 20, 10, 9, 50, 22
Clemson: 30, 41, 42, 21, 29, 4, 3, 4
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:02 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Mullen is half right. You NEED guys who fit your program, and star rating isn't everything. And coaches who recruit based strictly on star rating are lazy. There are hidden diamonds everywhere and even Alabama looks hard to find those diamonds,
and finds them.
However, at the end of the day, to win titles, you need GOONS. You need dudes that look like they are in their 30s by the time they get to campus as freshmen. Dudes who look like they are constantly posing for mugshots, even at breakfast (gangbangin' on bacon nucka). Dudes that scare white folks. Dudes that EVERYONE wants. Dudes that you have to fight hard to get and fight just as hard to keep. Dirty South GOONS.
Which is why I don't worry about Mullen yet. Stars always matter, but they are not exclusive. Clemson didn't start recruiting the way they did overnight.
Really, as long as you have the right conditions, any program can build an elite program around an elite Quarterback and the chips will fall afterward. I trust Mullen to develop an elite Quarterback and attain the necessary attention to start recruiting top ten regularly again.
I just know that after 10 years of ups and downs, mostly downs, recruits probably and rightly want to see on-field results before pulling the trigger, and having 3/4 successful in-state programs to fight with over local talent makes it harder. (USF, UCF, FSU and Miami have all had very good seasons.)
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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USF, UCF
Whoa whoa whoa... was it you or another UF poster who belligerently told me that UF never has to worry about USF or UCF for recruits?
I know you're not trying to slide this one in under the radar if that was you. :P
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:10 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Which is why I don't worry about Mullen yet.
Contrary to popular belief, at least on tRant, most Gator fans are not worried about Mullen at this point and optimistic that he will take the program in the right direction. Winning football games will greatly aid recruiting. He hasn't coached a single game yet, way too early to be concerned.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:14 pm to UFMatt
quote:The rant loves saying what other fanbases are feeling without actually asking them. It's like when Ole Miss was handed their penalties from the NCAA. Everyone on here was like "ohhawhawhaw Dem rebs so mad Dem rebs prolly wish they dun never cheated!!"
Contrary to popular belief, at least on tRant, most Gator fans are not worried about Mullen at this point and optimistic that he will take the program in the right direction. Winning football games will greatly aid recruiting. He hasn't coached a single game yet, way too early to be concerned.
When in fact, most of us don't care that we cheated and it was all #WorthIt
But when you say that the rant flips the frick out for some reason
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:15 pm to UFMatt
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most Gator fans are not worried about Mullen at this point and optimistic that he will take the program in the right direction
I still have confidence in him. He can do big things at Florida
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:18 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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When in fact, most of us don't care that we cheated
Enrollment dropped in 2017, for the first time in 2 decades. Freshmen enrollment is down this year for the first time in 6 years. Somebody cared
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:22 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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When in fact, most of us don't care that we cheated and it was all #WorthIt
You didn't even accomplish anything noteworthy. Zero division titles. Meaningless bowl win against the pokies that no one will remember in a few years. Finished in the top 10 once, LOL.
The only thing people might remember about those OM teams is kicking a FG down 42-0 in a bowl game
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:24 pm to UFMatt
quote:But we already know Mullen can do this
but developing players and overall good coaching wins games also.
We have seen him do it. Now we havent seen him get elite talent
So it is pretty safe to say if he fails at UF it will be because he couldnt recruit
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 3:25 pm
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