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re: MS State’s SEC Viability
Posted on 3/22/25 at 4:23 am to DeltaDoc
Posted on 3/22/25 at 4:23 am to DeltaDoc
I have said over and over again...unless all the teams go 4-4 then you are going to have teams that are going to have opposite numbers. For every 8-0, 7-1 or 6-2 team there are going to be an 0-8, 1-7, 2-6 team to match it. The OOC records will be skewed by those conference numbers. If it's not Miss St. Vandy, and a few others this year...it will happen to some schools. It's what being in a power 4 conference brings. Miss St. will have their years good and bad. They are fine.
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 4:31 am to Kid Ray
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They made the NCAA tournament so I’d say that’s pretty good. Baseball they’ve been competitive.
they won a national championship a few years ago, so...
Posted on 3/22/25 at 5:24 am to JayAg
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All it takes is one donor/booster to get tired of losing like Tyson Chicken was with Arkansas Basketball.
Funny you say that, since Arkansas basketball was coming off of 2 elite 8 trips and a sweet 16 when Tyson apparently got tired of losing
Posted on 3/22/25 at 7:43 am to DeltaDoc
State has always been at a disadvantage money wise. But over the years we have competed reasonably well in the conference across the board. Today we have more resources than we did fifty years ago. And so while the football team has had couple of tough years (mostly due to Leach’s untimely death combined with all the upheaval that has occurred) we will be fine going forward. Both basketball teams made the Tournament, baseball team is decent this year and has a lot of tradition. Softball has an excellent team this year. Finally, surprisingly to some, our other sports i.e. track, golf, volleyball, soccer have been faring very well in conference play and on the National scene as well. We have nice facilities and per capita, very solid fan support.
No need to be worried. We are going to fine going forward.
No need to be worried. We are going to fine going forward.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 8:13 am to Godawgs4
Even though MS state may not be rich at least they care. That sometimes makes up for being not being flush with rich alumni. A lot of schools have the opposite problem - big alumni base while having little fan interest. I mean there are a lot of power 5 schools that don't care about athletics really.
This post was edited on 3/22/25 at 8:16 am
Posted on 3/22/25 at 8:14 am to DeltaDoc
I don’t think they will leave or be kicked out.
This is silly.
This is silly.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 8:25 am to Lynxrufus2012
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I didn’t know Debbie Downer posted here
It was just a poly board drive-by.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 8:41 am to Ancient Astronaut
Supporting and reading the writing on the wall aren’t the same things. Like this past year in football, no one wanted to see the bucknuts win it all, but most everyone knew they were winning it after the neyland north debacle.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 9:04 am to bamabaseballsec
At least State doesn’t waste a ton of money on futility like some other “rich” schools in this conference that just suck at sports.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 9:21 am to NobodyImportant
I just think college sports has changed to a point that State will become a proverbial doormat again that picks off a middle tier team here and there.
Look at the history of college sports through a Mississippi State lens.
Pre-World War II, State was competitive most years, won an SEC title and had an undefeated season in football with a couple trips to the Orange Bowl when there was only four bowls.
The scholarship game showed up and it was 30 years of irrelevance.
The television contracts started in the 70s, and State put together a couple good years in the early 80s. Then the Oklahoma lawsuit happened and the CFA was formed and State went back to being a doormat.
The SEC expansion happened and State got lucky with the permanent opponents from the East and was able to put together good teams in the late 90s.
Then schools started paying coaches ridiculous money and State couldn't compete for a decade. New TV contracts and conference expansion brought more money, and State was able to hire good coaches and had a good decade in the 2010s. The difference between Alabama/Georgia/Florida/Tennessee having a $110 million budget to State's $40 million budget was a little different when it became $170 million to $110 million.
Now we have the NIL/revenue sharing era and we will see State drop back to irrelevancy. It will take a major change in the college sports landscape to change that.
Mississippi State does not have the alumni base that is going to sit at the kitchen table and say "We are going to donate $10,000 to NIL this year." They'll buy season tickets and merchandise, but they will not donate to NIL efforts at a level that will make a difference.
That will cause the level of athlete that you need to be competitive in this conference to look elsewhere.
Look at the history of college sports through a Mississippi State lens.
Pre-World War II, State was competitive most years, won an SEC title and had an undefeated season in football with a couple trips to the Orange Bowl when there was only four bowls.
The scholarship game showed up and it was 30 years of irrelevance.
The television contracts started in the 70s, and State put together a couple good years in the early 80s. Then the Oklahoma lawsuit happened and the CFA was formed and State went back to being a doormat.
The SEC expansion happened and State got lucky with the permanent opponents from the East and was able to put together good teams in the late 90s.
Then schools started paying coaches ridiculous money and State couldn't compete for a decade. New TV contracts and conference expansion brought more money, and State was able to hire good coaches and had a good decade in the 2010s. The difference between Alabama/Georgia/Florida/Tennessee having a $110 million budget to State's $40 million budget was a little different when it became $170 million to $110 million.
Now we have the NIL/revenue sharing era and we will see State drop back to irrelevancy. It will take a major change in the college sports landscape to change that.
Mississippi State does not have the alumni base that is going to sit at the kitchen table and say "We are going to donate $10,000 to NIL this year." They'll buy season tickets and merchandise, but they will not donate to NIL efforts at a level that will make a difference.
That will cause the level of athlete that you need to be competitive in this conference to look elsewhere.
This post was edited on 3/22/25 at 9:27 am
Posted on 3/22/25 at 9:38 am to anc
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$10,000 to NIL
SMU is the NIL dream.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 10:26 am to Shamoan
quote:Yep. It’s one thing to sacrifice academics for athletics (unnecessary—lots of schools are good at both), but it seems that State is sacrificing academics in order to…also be bad at athletics?
President keenum has supervised a steep decline in academic and has made poor AD hires b2b and clearly doesn’t know how to fix this mess as things continue to spiral downward.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 10:38 am to AllbyMyRelf
State simply doesn't have the horses right now to compete in football in the NIL era. The goal is back to getting bowl eligible which is not an exciting goal to go out and sell and even less exciting to buy into.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 12:27 pm to PharmacistReb
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With the exception of Texas and Florida, most of the SEC states are poor if we’re comparing them to the rest of the U.S.
Aren't as poor as you think. Georgia incomes are higher than Florida's and barely trails states such as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Texas.
The median household income for 2024 in every SEC state...........
Alabama
Median household income: $62,027
Middle-class income range: $41,351 to $124,054
Upper-middle class income begins: $96,486
Arkansas
Median household income: $58,773
Middle-class income range: $39,182 to $117,546
Upper-middle class income begins: $91,425
Florida
Median household income: $71,711
Middle-class income range: $47,807 to $143,422
Upper-middle class income begins: $111,550
Georgia
Median household income: $74,664
Middle-class income range: $49,776 to $149,328
Upper-middle class income begins: $116,144
Kentucky
Median household income: $62,417
Middle-class income range: $41,611 to $124,834
Upper-middle class income begins: $97,093
Louisiana
Median household income: $60,023
Middle-class income range: $40,015 to $120,046
Upper-middle class income begins: $93,369
Mississippi
Median household income: $54,915
Middle-class income range: $36,610 to $109,830
Upper-middle class income begins: $85,423
Missouri
Median household income: $68,920
Middle-class income range: $45,947 to $137,840
Upper-middle class income begins: $107,209
Oklahoma
Median household income: $63,603
Middle-class income range: $42,402 to $127,206
Upper-middle class income begins: $98,938
South Carolina
Median household income: $66,818
Middle-class income range: $44,545 to $133,636
Upper-middle class income begins: $103,939
Tennessee
Median household income: $67,097
Middle-class income range: $44,731 to $134,194
Upper-middle class income begins: $104,373
Texas
Median household income: $76,292
Middle-class income range: $50,861 to $152,584
Upper-middle class income begins: $118,676
A few other states for comparison...........
California
Median household income: $96,334
Middle-class income range: $64,223 to $192,668
Upper-middle class income begins: $149,853
Wisconsin
Median household income: $75,670
Middle-class income range: $50,447 to $151,340
Upper-middle class income begins: $117,709
Pennsylvania
Median household income: $76,081
Middle-class income range: $50,721 to $152,162
Upper-middle class income begins: $118,348
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This post was edited on 3/22/25 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:06 pm to DeltaDoc
F*ck the haters.
Hail State!
Hail State!
Posted on 3/22/25 at 3:07 pm to anc
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we are going to be a doormat in every major sport (football has already started) and non-revenue sports will quickly follow.
I think we stay competitive in basketball. Not elite but consistent middle of the SEC
We can be elite in baseball we just need a new coach
Football yea that’s gone. We won’t see the Mullen or Leach level of success for a long time if ever again
Posted on 3/22/25 at 3:20 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Keenum gets more blame than he deserves. I genuinely think hiring politic based bureaucrats as college presidents is a terrible idea, and Keenum is proof. He is way down the list of why MSU athletics is in the sorry state that it is.
He has done a good job at increasing agriculture research $ to MSU and the state. That's why he was hired and he is delivering.
The problem at Mississippi State is the give a damn. Mediocrity is accepted as the norm throughout the state. The problem used to plague Ole Miss as well, but their fan base and administration woke up.
He has done a good job at increasing agriculture research $ to MSU and the state. That's why he was hired and he is delivering.
The problem at Mississippi State is the give a damn. Mediocrity is accepted as the norm throughout the state. The problem used to plague Ole Miss as well, but their fan base and administration woke up.
This post was edited on 3/22/25 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 3/22/25 at 3:45 pm to anc
When catfish prices get back up to 1.30/lb on the pond bank I promise I’ll buy us a championship team
Posted on 3/22/25 at 3:50 pm to DeltaDoc
Its all about leadership. You put the right people in power, success will follow.
Posted on 3/22/25 at 7:21 pm to Mason Dixon Swine
An alumni recently donated 100mm to the university. State’s NIL has 18 million committed from 4 poor State graduates over the last 9 months.
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