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re: Most overrated Coach in SEC history is Shug Jordan.

Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:53 pm to
Posted by Smokey Okie
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:53 pm to
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but not many teams other than Alabama were winning the SEC in the 60s and 70s with Bear Bryant at Alabama, not the least of which Auburn who had to compete with him in their state.


Bryant being at Alabama was a stacked deck alright; that motherfricker liked to win ball games.

As far as auburn having to compete with Alabama in its own state, you do know that the Crimson Tide is from the state of Alabama, right? auburn is in Georgia; that is why they have such a big rivalry with Georgia.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:57 pm to
Honestly there are quite a few overrated coaches in SEC history.

Auburn Shug Jordan: 29-53-1
Auburn Pat Dye: 17-28-3
Georgia Wally Butts: 11-40-2
Georgia Vince Dooley: 30-49-5
LSU Chollie Mac: 20-44-1
Tennessee Johnny Majors: 14-35-6

Their records against teams that finished ranked in the AP and/or Coaches polls.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
369 Cardboard Box Lane
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:13 pm to
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Most overrated Coach in SEC history is Shug Jordan.


I don't think anyone has him highly rated, dumb arse. Most people would say he was a slightly above average coach with a NC, and a great human being.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 8:14 pm
Posted by rtr23242526
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:15 pm to
Great human..but yes au highly exalted him


Jordan Hare
Posted by Bigbens42
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:22 pm to
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Great human..but yes au highly exalted him Jordan Hare


We should. Dude was a hero independent of anything he did at Auburn, and he chose to dedicate his life to Auburn after the fact and contributed greatly to what we are now.

Auburn man to the core.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
369 Cardboard Box Lane
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:24 pm to
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Great human..but yes au highly exalted him


Jordan Hare


Look at all he did, dumb arse. He was worthy of praise. It wasn't just football.
Posted by Smokey Okie
Member since Jul 2024
112 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:32 pm to
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I don't think anyone has him highly rated, dumb arse. Most people would say he was a slightly above average coach with a NC, and a great human being.


Great human being except the wife beating part, right? Many old timers from the area knew it as open knowledge that Jordan would quite regularly beat up on the wifey and she would get treatment at St. Francis in Columbus.

It was basically the same kind of open secret, back in those days, that allowed former presidents to have mistresses in virtually every state they would visit, when passing through, but somehow it never became public knowledge.

Things like that were considered your own private business.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 8:34 pm
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:13 pm to
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So you're saying that if a team doesn't count down years, their record improves?

You "only bama beats bama" people are at least consistent.


Nope.

I'm saying comparing Dye to Jordan is silly, as one had to compete against Bryant and Neyland and the other competed against Perkins/Curry and such.

Here's the list of coaches in Dye's last season where he beat Alabama:

(Florida changed coaches during the season)

1 Johnny Majors Tennessee
2 Bill Curry Alabama
3 Pat Dye Auburn
4 Billy Brewer Ole Miss
5 Jerry Claiborne Kentucky
6 Ray Goff Georgia
7 Rockey Felker Mississippi State
8 Galen Hall Florida
9 Mike Archer LSU
10 Gary Darnell Florida
11 Watson Brown Vanderbilt



In Shug Jordan's best year (10-0 in 1957), Alabama may have been helmed by its worst coach ever, the conference was still much stronger (coaching wise) than Dye ever encountered:

1 Ralph Jordan Auburn
2 John Vaught Ole Miss
3 Bowden Wyatt Tennessee
4 Wade Walker Mississippi State
5 Bob Woodruff Florida
6 Arthur Guepe Vanderbilt
7 Paul Dietzel LSU
8 Bobby Dodd Georgia Tech
9 Wallace Butts Georgia
10 Blanton Collier Kentucky
11 Jennings Whitworth Alabama
12 Andy Pilney Tulane


In 1972, when Auburn went 10-1, the SEC included Bryant, Bill Battle, and Vince Dooley.

But hey, if you want to take a big steaming dump on the guy your stadium is named after, go for it.
Posted by Tua_2_Smitty
Birmingham, AL
Member since Jan 2018
237 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:16 pm to
Ol Piss should focus on winning an SEC Title for the first time in my 46 years of existence, rather than a fellow conference mate, who owns yall all time head to head, stadium name.

Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
Member since Jan 2004
10750 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:19 pm to
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But hey, if you want to take a big steaming dump on the guy your stadium is named after, go for it.


You read my post and came up with this as a response? Good God man, you're one stupid gump.
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
3182 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:28 pm to
Tie Dye definitely took advantage of a weak conference
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
1759 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:35 pm to
Dye was great. Dye was better.

But Shug took over a doormat of a program and built them into a national champ. He also laid the foundation for Auburn’s football program, bringing home the STATE of Alabama’s first National Title trophy.

AP Top 5 finishes in 1957, 1958, 1963, and 1972. Four top 5 finishes (same number as Jonny Vaught).

How many other SEC coaches had four Top 5 finishes? Not many. Dye had one.
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
Member since Jan 2004
10750 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:39 pm to
He was also our basketball coach prior to WW2.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
1759 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:54 pm to
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Outside of the Iron Bowl, Auburn probably averaged one home game a year at Legion Field


Between 1948-1988, Auburn played the Iron Bowl every season at Legion Field but only 25 other games there…. 25 games in 41 years.

But it’s not like BHM was our second home… it was far more common in those days to play games all over the place.

In the same time period, we played 11 times in Columbus, 8 times in Mobile, and 6 times in Montgomery.

Bama played 3-4 games per season in Birmingham every year, including almost every meaningful game up through the early 1990s.
Posted by FlyDownTheField83
Auburn AL
Member since Dec 2021
525 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:16 pm to
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…the wife beating part


Wow, all the class I have come to expect from Bama fans and then some. Please keep posting and continue to expose yourself and all the others of your ilk for what you are….
Posted by rtr23242526
Member since Dec 2022
3295 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:22 pm to
Ears
Posted by rtr23242526
Member since Dec 2022
3295 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:23 pm to
No gumps are stupid .dumdum
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 10:23 pm
Posted by rtr23242526
Member since Dec 2022
3295 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:24 pm to
Big bama fan so obviously not a dumb arse..dumdum
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
23059 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:30 pm to
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How many other SEC coaches had four Top 5 finishes?

Bryant - 13
Saban - 13
Spurrier - 7
Dooley - 4
Vaught - 4
Smart - 5
Neyland - 5

It’s a pretty small group for sure.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 10:46 pm
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
5915 posts
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:39 pm to
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bringing home the STATE of Alabama’s first National Title trophy.


BS is getting deep in here
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