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re: Most overrated Coach in SEC history is Shug Jordan.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:53 pm to TeddyWestside
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:53 pm to TeddyWestside
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but not many teams other than Alabama were winning the SEC in the 60s and 70s with Bear Bryant at Alabama, not the least of which Auburn who had to compete with him in their state.
Bryant being at Alabama was a stacked deck alright; that motherfricker liked to win ball games.
As far as auburn having to compete with Alabama in its own state, you do know that the Crimson Tide is from the state of Alabama, right? auburn is in Georgia; that is why they have such a big rivalry with Georgia.
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:57 pm to TheFourHorsemen
Honestly there are quite a few overrated coaches in SEC history.
Auburn Shug Jordan: 29-53-1
Auburn Pat Dye: 17-28-3
Georgia Wally Butts: 11-40-2
Georgia Vince Dooley: 30-49-5
LSU Chollie Mac: 20-44-1
Tennessee Johnny Majors: 14-35-6
Their records against teams that finished ranked in the AP and/or Coaches polls.
Auburn Shug Jordan: 29-53-1
Auburn Pat Dye: 17-28-3
Georgia Wally Butts: 11-40-2
Georgia Vince Dooley: 30-49-5
LSU Chollie Mac: 20-44-1
Tennessee Johnny Majors: 14-35-6
Their records against teams that finished ranked in the AP and/or Coaches polls.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:13 pm to TheFourHorsemen
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Most overrated Coach in SEC history is Shug Jordan.
I don't think anyone has him highly rated, dumb arse. Most people would say he was a slightly above average coach with a NC, and a great human being.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:15 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
Great human..but yes au highly exalted him
Jordan Hare
Jordan Hare
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:22 pm to rtr23242526
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Great human..but yes au highly exalted him Jordan Hare
We should. Dude was a hero independent of anything he did at Auburn, and he chose to dedicate his life to Auburn after the fact and contributed greatly to what we are now.
Auburn man to the core.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:24 pm to rtr23242526
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Great human..but yes au highly exalted him
Jordan Hare
Look at all he did, dumb arse. He was worthy of praise. It wasn't just football.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:32 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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I don't think anyone has him highly rated, dumb arse. Most people would say he was a slightly above average coach with a NC, and a great human being.
Great human being except the wife beating part, right? Many old timers from the area knew it as open knowledge that Jordan would quite regularly beat up on the wifey and she would get treatment at St. Francis in Columbus.
It was basically the same kind of open secret, back in those days, that allowed former presidents to have mistresses in virtually every state they would visit, when passing through, but somehow it never became public knowledge.
Things like that were considered your own private business.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:13 pm to borotiger
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So you're saying that if a team doesn't count down years, their record improves?
You "only bama beats bama" people are at least consistent.
Nope.
I'm saying comparing Dye to Jordan is silly, as one had to compete against Bryant and Neyland and the other competed against Perkins/Curry and such.
Here's the list of coaches in Dye's last season where he beat Alabama:
(Florida changed coaches during the season)
1 Johnny Majors Tennessee
2 Bill Curry Alabama
3 Pat Dye Auburn
4 Billy Brewer Ole Miss
5 Jerry Claiborne Kentucky
6 Ray Goff Georgia
7 Rockey Felker Mississippi State
8 Galen Hall Florida
9 Mike Archer LSU
10 Gary Darnell Florida
11 Watson Brown Vanderbilt
In Shug Jordan's best year (10-0 in 1957), Alabama may have been helmed by its worst coach ever, the conference was still much stronger (coaching wise) than Dye ever encountered:
1 Ralph Jordan Auburn
2 John Vaught Ole Miss
3 Bowden Wyatt Tennessee
4 Wade Walker Mississippi State
5 Bob Woodruff Florida
6 Arthur Guepe Vanderbilt
7 Paul Dietzel LSU
8 Bobby Dodd Georgia Tech
9 Wallace Butts Georgia
10 Blanton Collier Kentucky
11 Jennings Whitworth Alabama
12 Andy Pilney Tulane
In 1972, when Auburn went 10-1, the SEC included Bryant, Bill Battle, and Vince Dooley.
But hey, if you want to take a big steaming dump on the guy your stadium is named after, go for it.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:16 pm to TheFourHorsemen
Ol Piss should focus on winning an SEC Title for the first time in my 46 years of existence, rather than a fellow conference mate, who owns yall all time head to head, stadium name.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:19 pm to skrayper
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But hey, if you want to take a big steaming dump on the guy your stadium is named after, go for it.
You read my post and came up with this as a response? Good God man, you're one stupid gump.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:28 pm to skrayper
Tie Dye definitely took advantage of a weak conference
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:35 pm to TheFourHorsemen
Dye was great. Dye was better.
But Shug took over a doormat of a program and built them into a national champ. He also laid the foundation for Auburn’s football program, bringing home the STATE of Alabama’s first National Title trophy.
AP Top 5 finishes in 1957, 1958, 1963, and 1972. Four top 5 finishes (same number as Jonny Vaught).
How many other SEC coaches had four Top 5 finishes? Not many. Dye had one.
But Shug took over a doormat of a program and built them into a national champ. He also laid the foundation for Auburn’s football program, bringing home the STATE of Alabama’s first National Title trophy.
AP Top 5 finishes in 1957, 1958, 1963, and 1972. Four top 5 finishes (same number as Jonny Vaught).
How many other SEC coaches had four Top 5 finishes? Not many. Dye had one.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:39 pm to AUTiger789
He was also our basketball coach prior to WW2.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:54 pm to Globetrotter747
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Outside of the Iron Bowl, Auburn probably averaged one home game a year at Legion Field
Between 1948-1988, Auburn played the Iron Bowl every season at Legion Field but only 25 other games there…. 25 games in 41 years.
But it’s not like BHM was our second home… it was far more common in those days to play games all over the place.
In the same time period, we played 11 times in Columbus, 8 times in Mobile, and 6 times in Montgomery.
Bama played 3-4 games per season in Birmingham every year, including almost every meaningful game up through the early 1990s.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:16 pm to Smokey Okie
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…the wife beating part
Wow, all the class I have come to expect from Bama fans and then some. Please keep posting and continue to expose yourself and all the others of your ilk for what you are….
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:23 pm to borotiger
No gumps are stupid .dumdum
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:24 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
Big bama fan so obviously not a dumb arse..dumdum
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:30 pm to AUTiger789
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How many other SEC coaches had four Top 5 finishes?
Bryant - 13
Saban - 13
Spurrier - 7
Dooley - 4
Vaught - 4
Smart - 5
Neyland - 5
It’s a pretty small group for sure.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:39 pm to AUTiger789
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bringing home the STATE of Alabama’s first National Title trophy.
BS is getting deep in here
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