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re: More nobody coach: Barry Odom or Joe Moorehead
Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:48 am to Rayburn8
Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:48 am to Rayburn8
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I don't understand why you have such a hard-on for state all the time.
Because his two main rivals are dragging their nuts across his face and will be for the foreseeable future. He can’t even look them in the eye to say anything to them. He needs another avenue.
And it makes him take his mind off the inferiority of Malzahn compared to Saban and Smart.
And the outlet is the pure hypocrisy of trying to point out the inferiority of Moorhead when Malzhan is a distant afterthought of a coach when people think of who coaches college football in the state of Alabama. At least Mississippi State fans don’t have to watch the instate rival hoist the National Champ trophy year after year after year.
Mississippi State fans just see Auburn as a team than belongs in the east and sees their yapping fans like bowl as no different than USCe fans, KY fans, Florida fans, TN fans, and Vandy fans.
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:11 am to BowlJackson
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I miss the days of Juice Williams/Rashard Mendenhall/ and Arrelious Benn on the football field
I was at the game in Columbus when they took down then #1 Ohio State. They got the ball with 8:08 left and a 7 point lead. They never gave the ball back. That was easily the best game Williams ever played
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:17 am to Slackaveli
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because: Barkley. .
Yes. Barkley improved in rushing yards in 16 and beyond and took a leap forward in receiving yards from 16 and beyond.
Sort of matches up with Moorhead’s offense being installed.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:18 am to CleverUserName
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Based on what? I mean, just Curious. State your case
Funny, the rest of us have been asking State fans the same thing about why y'all think Moorehead will be so good but all y'all can answer with is throwing Mullen under the bus and saying "wait and see"
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Because it’s definitely not a review and comparison of resumes prior to getting the job at MSU.
That we can agree on. Croom's resume blows Moorehead's out of the water at their points of taking MSU over.
-Moorehead did well in his 2 years as OC at Penn State. But objectively he did it in a weak defensive conference, running Franklin's offense who was already an established and respected offensive coach before Moorehead, and he did it using a future 1st rd QB and the best RB to come out of CFB since Adrian Peterson.
-Did a good job with Fordham, but let's not pretend like an FCS job remotely prepared him for the SEC.
-Other than that he's got 10 years as positions coach at middling schools
Not sure exactly what you see on Moorehead's resume that's worth crowing about....
Croom also didn't have the previous HC experience that an SEC school should want but as far as first time HC's go not many come with a resume as good as Croom's.
He started his career being mentored by Bear Bryant.
Before State he had been coaching in the NFL for nearly 20 years as one of the best and most respected assistants in football.
Came highly recommended by several extremely respected coaches.
Croom was set up for failure at State, y'all never wanted him for anything other than a scapegoat.
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And Moorhead is inarguably recruiting better than Mullen
That's also objective. For one, Moorehead is taking over a program in decent shape while Mullen took over the biggest laughing stock, arguably worst program in CFB.
This is also by far the best instate class that MS has produced in a long time. All those extra guys and Ole Miss just getting on probation couldn't possibly have anything to do with the upswing in recruiting this year, you don't think?
Y'all were crowing about how good yalls class would be this year long before Mullen left. I doubt it would be much different with Mullen or another HC in place. I doubt Moorehead ever has another class ranked close to this one and this class probably still won't finish in the top 15 anyway.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:21 am to CleverUserName
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Yes. Barkley improved in rushing yards in 16 and beyond and took a leap forward in receiving yards from 16 and beyond.
Somebody improved after their true freshman season
well that proves Moorehead is a genius Btw a "leap forward" to you is a drop on ypc in Moorehead's first year and drop in rushing yards Moorehead's second year?
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 7:22 am
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:45 am to 3morereps
Apparently sports illustrated has heard of Moorhead. Had an article about him 2 days ago.
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Also had one about him in September 2017, which I would think is fairly unusual given he was an OC at the time. Don’t recall seeing a whole lot of feature article on coordinators in the past.
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And here’s an article from red cup rebellion from 2017 saying Ole Miss should go after him to replace freeze.
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Also had one about him in September 2017, which I would think is fairly unusual given he was an OC at the time. Don’t recall seeing a whole lot of feature article on coordinators in the past.
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And here’s an article from red cup rebellion from 2017 saying Ole Miss should go after him to replace freeze.
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:31 am to BowlJackson
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Funny, the rest of us have been asking State fans the same thing about why y'all think Moorehead will be so good but all y'all can answer with is throwing Mullen under the bus and saying "wait and see"
And MSU fans promptly point out he has improved the program every where he has been, points to the praise Franklin gave him, and points out the multiple accolades he has been given. Yes his HC experience is at Fordham.. but he turned a 1 win Fordham team into a team that made repeat appearances in the FCS playoffs.
“Uhh uhh uhh but it’s Fordham!” Yea. And they have limited resources. It’s is on the level of the competition they played.
We heard the exact same thing with Mullen also. It’s MSU! He will fail!! He was riding on Myers’ coat tails! Now he is the great deliverer at Florida.
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That we can agree on. Croom's resume blows Moorehead's out of the water at their points of taking MSU over.
I’m sorry. As far as preparing a coach to be head coach in the SEC? This doesn’t even warrant a response. Lovie Smith has a pretty good NFL resume too doesn’t he? So does Herm Edwards.
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Croom was set up for failure at State, y'all never wanted him for anything other than a scapegoat.
And we go to the great unanswered question of unanswered questions.... why did no one pick him up, at any level in college football, after he was fired from State? By your praise, he should have been at AU after Chiz was fired. Why wasn’t the highly regarded Croom considered?
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That's also objective. For one, Moorehead is taking over a program in decent shape while Mullen took over the biggest laughing stock, arguably worst program in CFB.
We are not just comparing the first year. This year’s class is better at this point than Mullen’s after spending multiple weeks at #1 and playing in the Orange bowl. We are comparing all of Mullen’s years.
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This is also by far the best instate class that MS has produced in a long time. All those extra guys and Ole Miss just getting on probation couldn't possibly have anything to do with the upswing in recruiting this year, you don't think?
Please. Ole Miss got off with a wrist slap as far as scholarship limitations go. And is Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, etc not competing for the same recruits this year? As usual?
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 8:33 am
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:32 am to 3morereps
Odom. Moorhead has some pedigree to him and more of a resume. Odom was, and remains, a relative unknown.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:21 am to BowlJackson
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Moorehead did well in his 2 years as OC at Penn State. But objectively he did it in a weak defensive conference, running Franklin's offense wh
That's just not true. Penn State's offense was pretty bad in 2015, so Franklin fired his OC and handed the offense over to Moorhead. This is Moorhead's offense, that he developed at Fordham. It is not Franklin's offense.
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Other than that he's got 10 years as positions coach at middling schools
Not sure exactly what you see on Moorehead's resume that's worth crowing about....
Well, he was also OC at Connecticut, which is a middling school, but he helped get them to the Fiesta Bowl. Granted, he was not running his own offense at UConn, because he hadn't develped it yet.
Moorhead has run the offense at 3 different D1 schools, and at each school he has had immediate success turning the offense around, setting school records, and winning conference championships.
Opposing coaches consider him a wizard at calling plays. A wizard. When he speaks at coaching seminars it is SRO. He was easily the top OC in the college game that had not already ascended to a head coaching position.
I cannot tell you how excited I am to see what Moorhead can do with the offensive talent he has inherited. Even if it blows up in his face, it will be far more interesting than anything Mullen put on the field.
I cannot guarantee long term success with Moorhead. So far he appears to be a good fit for MSU, but we will see how well he recruits and develops talent, and does all the things a head coach has to do to build a winner. He is extremely intelligent, and personable, so I'm optimistic. (and for the record, I thought MSU made a mistake when they hired Mullen. He turned out to be a better fit than I thought).
But for this upcoming season, his biggest impact will be Xs and Os. And it will be spectacular.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:43 am to BowlJackson
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Jeffery Simmons was 100× more of a thug POS in his incident but you can't even bring it up because State fans cry about you being a meany to poor victim Jeff Simmons
The hypocritical thing about this whole ordeal is that if you just asked in a thread over on the OT what would you do if someone talked shite about your dead family, a lot of people would response beat the shite outta them.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:54 am to Dday63
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and winning conference championships.
Well don't get your hopes up on that one
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I cannot tell you how excited I am to see what Moorhead can do with the offensive talent he has inherited.
Again, not seeing what you're seeing.
Fitzgerald is a bad passer against good defenses, and we don't know yet how well his ankle healed and if he'll be the same runner (which he also wasn't very good at against the best defenses he played).
None of your receivers stand out.
Aeris Williams is pretty average. At Bama, LSU, AU, or UGA this would the first season in his career he would even have a chance to break into the rotation at all.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:57 am to BowlJackson
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nd we don't know yet how well his ankle healed
Ankle injuries are the worst. I've had very in depth operations on mine and it never gets better. It really sucks bad.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:00 am to Rayburn8
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The hypocritical thing about this whole ordeal is that if you just asked in a thread over on the OT what would you do if someone talked shite about your dead family, a lot of people would response beat the shite outta them.
Thats not hypocritical. The OT is just retarded, don't take their advice. And even if they said they would (which I doubt that be the consensus of even the OT), most people aren't going to viciously pummel a 5'0" girl over something she allegedly said, especially after she's already on the ground beaten and giving up.
If you're trying to defend what Simmons did or just play it off as anything other than completely fricked up and wrong then you need to reevaluate your priorities.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:07 am to BowlJackson
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If you're trying to defend what Simmons did or just play it off as anything other than completely fricked up and wrong then you need to reevaluate your priorities.
I'm not just pointing out the hypocrisy of what a lot of people across this site always respond to these things. On top of the hypocrisy of every team defends their star player regardless of the crap they do on this board.
Second I still want to know why the hell you walk around like a State fan shoved his dick in your mouth?
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:14 am to 3morereps
what rock have you been hiding under?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:23 am to Rayburn8
Why have State fans suddenly started walking around like State has accomplished anything ever?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:29 am to TeLeFaWx
Joe Moorhead was considered the best offensive coordinator in the nation. Hardly a nobody
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:29 am to BowlJackson
State fans being fans of their football team and being optimistic about new hire? What? No way!!!
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:47 am to BowlJackson
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Again, not seeing what you're seeing.
Because you have made it very obvious how much you hate State. You will see it the way I see it in the Fall.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:48 am to AllbyMyRelf
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State fans being fans of their football team and being optimistic about new hire? What? No way!!!
Right? You'd think those idiots would know damn well by now exactly who Mississippi State is. But oh well, they have nobody to blame but themselves when they get their feelings hurt again.
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