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Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:09 pm
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Connor Stalions, the suspended Michigan staffer at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, sources at 11 different league schools told ESPN.
An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smartphone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game.
The ticket purchases fall into a seat location pattern -- somewhere around the 45-yard line and raised up enough for a clear view of the opposite sideline.
The first NCAA rule in question is scouting in opposing stadiums, which has been in place since 1994.
The second potential rule being broken, evidence of which had not been reported prior, could mean that Michigan violated Article 11 subsection H of the NCAA football rulebook: "Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited."
Connor Stalions, the suspended Michigan staffer at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, sources at 11 different league schools told ESPN.
An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smartphone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game.
The ticket purchases fall into a seat location pattern -- somewhere around the 45-yard line and raised up enough for a clear view of the opposite sideline.
The first NCAA rule in question is scouting in opposing stadiums, which has been in place since 1994.
The second potential rule being broken, evidence of which had not been reported prior, could mean that Michigan violated Article 11 subsection H of the NCAA football rulebook: "Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited."
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 3:12 pm
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:10 pm to Rex Feral
Who paid for all those tickets?
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:10 pm to Rex Feral
* Michigan's cheating
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:13 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Who paid for all those tickets?
It's uncertain who was funding the purchases. Stallions makes $55,000 per year, according to the University of Michigan's website. But the operation included thousands of dollars in ticket sales and the cost of travel to the stadiums.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:15 pm to Rex Feral
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:16 pm to Rex Feral
I guess if it's violating an actual written rule then yeah it's cheating, but I'm honestly not that bothered by this.
Games are publicly televised I'm just not that moved by the idea that someone paid money to go to the game and recorded them. Seems like just doing exceptional due diligence to me
Games are publicly televised I'm just not that moved by the idea that someone paid money to go to the game and recorded them. Seems like just doing exceptional due diligence to me
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:17 pm to Rex Feral
While this may indeed be breaking the rules, it is a very stupid rule. You are giving signs to your team in front of 100K people in a televised game. Its not like they are national secrets.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:17 pm to Rex Feral
I can't imagine going to Rutgers, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois games etc...I think whoever did has been punished enough 
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:18 pm to Rex Feral
So any Joe Blow YouTuber can record all this stuff and sell it to the team. Easy work around that rule, right?
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:18 pm to HighTide_ATL
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I guess if it's violating an actual written rule then yeah it's cheating, but I'm honestly not that bothered by this.
Games are publicly televised I'm just not that moved by the idea that someone paid money to go to the game and recorded them. Seems like just doing exceptional due diligence to me
Except he's sitting directly across from the sideline at an angle so he can film the sideline, not the play on the field. I'd guess he films the signs and then they have someone match up his film to game tape to see if they can match up signs to formations and plays. Seems like one of those things where if it wasn't a specific rule it'd just be kind of funny, but they clearly created a rule for it and Michigan was just like.........we don't give a fvck. And they did it blatantly and about as out in the open as possible.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:21 pm to McNet
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So any Joe Blow YouTuber can record all this stuff and sell it to the team. Easy work around that rule, right?
I'm positive there is some under the table service out there that does this. Most programs would be smart enough to "outsource" it as opposed to buying tickets in the name of a staffer.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:24 pm to Ssubba
Exactly...everyone's trying to get an advantage. But this dude buying tickets under his name is hilarious
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I understood the description. I just don't think it's that big of a deal
Again though, if it's a written rule they broke I guess there should be a consequence of some sort. I just don't think they should be that steep given it's not like it's that private
Again though, if it's a written rule they broke I guess there should be a consequence of some sort. I just don't think they should be that steep given it's not like it's that private
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:25 pm to Rex Feral
If anyone in the SEC tries to pull nonsense like this, I'll make some calls and Texas will back out of the SEC and then you'll be sorry.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:26 pm to HighTide_ATL
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I understood the description. I just don't think it's that big of a deal
You don't think it's a big deal that because they did this they may know the exact plays the other team is going to call?
What would be a big deal?
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:28 pm to Buckeye06
I don't think it's that different from just regular scouting is why I'm not that moved by it. I'm sure it's happened to us, and probably happens more than people realize
I also didn't know it was an actual written rule prior to this thread to be fair
I'd consider having someone film practice, or getting their hands on an actual playbook more severe. Not someone filming a public/nationally televised performance and letting some autistic person figure out patterns between signals and plays
I also didn't know it was an actual written rule prior to this thread to be fair
I'd consider having someone film practice, or getting their hands on an actual playbook more severe. Not someone filming a public/nationally televised performance and letting some autistic person figure out patterns between signals and plays
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:31 pm to Rex Feral
Michigan was 2-4 in 2020 and 0-3 at home. Then everyone just believed they "randomly" turned into world beaters in 21 and 22 with just average recruits. 0 playoff wins and .5 championships since Hitler had power in Germany.
Let it burn!
Let it burn!
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:32 pm to HighTide_ATL
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I don't think it's that different from just regular scouting is why I'm not that moved by it. I'm sure it's happened to us, and probably happens more than people realize
I also didn't know it was an actual written rule prior to this thread to be fair
I'd consider having someone film practice, or getting their hands on an actual playbook more severe. Not someone filming a public/nationally televised performance and letting some autistic person figure out patterns between signals and plays
I agree the act itself is not that big a deal. The brazenness to have a University employee break a clear NCAA rule and do it so blatantly is a pretty big deal.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:33 pm to Rex Feral
why not shove a flexible led display in these sleeves that QBs wear? play is transmitted via encrypted signal to the QB from the sideline.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:35 pm to HighTide_ATL
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Games are publicly televised
But the broadcast doesn't show the sideline for every single play, which is what you would need in order to try to decipher the signals. This is cheating pure and simple and similar to what the Astros did.
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