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re: Miami HC resigning immediately - citing the professional athlete model we have now.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:56 am to Sid E Walker
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:56 am to Sid E Walker
NIL was not intended to be part of the recruiting process. In fact it was the only actual set in stone RULE in NIL... you could not have NIL deals that paid players based on attending a specific school.
Of course that was immediately ignored and when the NCAA tried to enforce it, Tennessee sued them and now paying players to attend your school is legal.
THAT, and only that is the problem with NIL. The courts decided to allow schools to set up NIL deals where it was possible to say "You get this amount of money in order to come play for Tennessee" instead of "you get this amount of money for endorsing our product REGARDLESS of where (or if) you play. That's how it was originally intended.
So yeah, it's broken. Tennessee broke it. Blame them.
Of course that was immediately ignored and when the NCAA tried to enforce it, Tennessee sued them and now paying players to attend your school is legal.
THAT, and only that is the problem with NIL. The courts decided to allow schools to set up NIL deals where it was possible to say "You get this amount of money in order to come play for Tennessee" instead of "you get this amount of money for endorsing our product REGARDLESS of where (or if) you play. That's how it was originally intended.
So yeah, it's broken. Tennessee broke it. Blame them.
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:08 am to DawginSC
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THAT, and only that is the problem with NIL.
I don't know about that. What we have currently is a contractual system where only one party (the school/athletic department/team) is held to any obligations. There are minimal, or no, standards or expectations tied to the player. Meanwhile, the school still operates under scholarship rules and roster restrictions. Couple that with the wide open transfer portal that sees kids playing for four different programs in their career, and you have the current disaster we are witnessing.
It is generally easier to manage in basketball due to strictly a numbers perspective, but it is a problem with all sports. There has to be some form of contractual obligation from these players to the program.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:37 am to LegendInMyMind
When you give young people this much control over large organizations, it makes for a shoddy foundation. If you look at sports and entertainment, which are the best examples, the folks who are given most money at a young age seem to have the most issues being able to fit into society. And to whoever said the players are more important than the coaches needs their head examined. I think it was a Georgia fan. He probably wanted Stetson Bennett to be benched before he won Georgia 2 national titles I would venture to guess.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:51 am to NickPapageorgio
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He quits on George Mason after a final four for more money and better opportunities then bashes the players who helped him take Miami to a final four for leaving for money and better opportunities.
What a douche.
You make a fair point. And the players didn't quit mid-season like he is doing.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:56 am to TexasTiger08
You people will jump through every hoop imaginable to defend a tired, dusty coach quitting on his team mid-season. 
It's strictly worse than his kids portaling out after the season no matter how you look at it.
It's strictly worse than his kids portaling out after the season no matter how you look at it.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 11:51 am to LSBoosie
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I 100% get what he is saying, but resigning in the middle of the season is kind of crazy. He is citing stuff that happened in the offseason and he decided to keep coaching, but now he decides it's time to quit?
He gave his reasoning, basically said his transfers this year weren't buying in and he realized he wasn't as effective in this new world.
A ton of people are crapping on him without even knowing what he actually said, as is per usual for this place.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 11:54 am to SidewalkTiger
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He gave his reasoning, basically said his transfers this year weren't buying in and he realized he wasn't as effective in this new world.
Would you call resigning in the middle of the season buying in?
Posted on 12/27/24 at 11:55 am to DawginSC
Disagree. If he doesn’t have the will or heart for this now, it makes no sense for him to go through the motions with his team causing them to tank. Hurts next season, as well.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:07 pm to LegendInMyMind
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There has to be some form of contractual obligation from these players to the program.
The judges keep knocking down every rule that tries to be made, mostly as punishment to the NCAA for taking so long to change.
There are only two paths forward:
1. Congress gets involved. Which is asking a lot in the current poltical landscape.
2. The sport gets ruined to the point that media contracts start to go backwards and the judges put some rules in place to protect value for the players.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:11 pm to Sid E Walker
It can only be operated like that if the players collectively agree to surrender some of the freedoms they have been granted in return for some considerations from the schools, i.e. the contract is for a stipulated period of time and the schools can’t revoke it unless there’s real malfeasance by the player or even if a new coach comes in with different philosophies about the kind of players they need.
What people want is some white knight to ride in and unilaterally impose this on the players and bring them to heel and restore the proper order of things. You try that and the federal courts will slap you down quicker than Joe Namath’s release in his prime because federal laws and the federal courts are in control here, not any sports person or association.
Where we are now was inevitable, the house of cards was always going to collapse, once this became a zillion dollar entertainment business rather than a sport. But fans … who absolutely do pay the bills, I will never dispute that … because college football uniquely among all sports is so bound by tradition couldn’t see that. They just thought we’d go on as we always did, with large and in charge coaches playing DI, and the actual people who put their asses on the line being content with scholarships which while substantial are less than pocket change compared to the zillions that the hawgs feeding at the trough at the major schools are reaping.
More than anything the griping about what’s going on … and it’s absolutely got to be brought into equilibrium although people who want a fix imposed will bitch about the collective negotiations that will be required to solve the issue … is because fans have had their naive illusions dashed that players are truly amateurs (they aren’t when you get out of D3), that they love the schools as much as fans do (they generally don’t) and that the “fans who pay the bills” actually do or should have a tangible ownership stake in this stuff (they don’t).
What people want is some white knight to ride in and unilaterally impose this on the players and bring them to heel and restore the proper order of things. You try that and the federal courts will slap you down quicker than Joe Namath’s release in his prime because federal laws and the federal courts are in control here, not any sports person or association.
Where we are now was inevitable, the house of cards was always going to collapse, once this became a zillion dollar entertainment business rather than a sport. But fans … who absolutely do pay the bills, I will never dispute that … because college football uniquely among all sports is so bound by tradition couldn’t see that. They just thought we’d go on as we always did, with large and in charge coaches playing DI, and the actual people who put their asses on the line being content with scholarships which while substantial are less than pocket change compared to the zillions that the hawgs feeding at the trough at the major schools are reaping.
More than anything the griping about what’s going on … and it’s absolutely got to be brought into equilibrium although people who want a fix imposed will bitch about the collective negotiations that will be required to solve the issue … is because fans have had their naive illusions dashed that players are truly amateurs (they aren’t when you get out of D3), that they love the schools as much as fans do (they generally don’t) and that the “fans who pay the bills” actually do or should have a tangible ownership stake in this stuff (they don’t).
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:16 pm to LSBoosie
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Would you call resigning in the middle of the season buying in?
If his players aren't buying in, then he's just harming the program by continuing to stay.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
Are they going to decide to buy in now that he quit?
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:25 pm to kywildcatfanone
frick NIL.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:25 pm to kywildcatfanone
BETA
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:30 pm to LSBoosie
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Are they going to decide to buy in now that he quit?
It's possible, sometimes players respond to a new voice.
If the dude feels like he can't give the program what it deserves then he needs to quit ASAP, I'm not sure why some are advocating for him remaining as a lame duck.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:34 pm to JayAg
He’ll probably Coach at a mid-major and thrive…
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:36 pm to SidewalkTiger
It’s generally not accepted for coaches or players to quit in the middle of a season. He probably should have thought about this over the offseason when half of his team was threatening to leave. I’m not sure why some are advocating for coaches or players to quit in the middle of the season because they don’t feel like doing their job anymore.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
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He gave his reasoning, basically said his transfers this year weren't buying in and he realized he wasn't as effective in this new world.
A ton of people are crapping on him without even knowing what he actually said, as is per usual for this place.
As I said, it isn't so much what he said when he quit, but what he said in the months leading up to quitting.
He's voiced little, maybe no, opposition to the transfer portal and NIL, which he's taken advantage of just as much as many others.
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 12/27/24 at 3:19 pm to kywildcatfanone
No sports league on the planet operates under 100 percent unrestricted free agency and college sports in their current format is exhibit A. A successful product, program and a conference needs stability. Rebuilding from the ground up every year in an atmosphere where your players can be poached by other schools with no consequences is going to destroy the entire system. Furthermore it’s being put off on the fans to pay for players via NIL collectives. Nothing about this is sustainable
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