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re: LSU going back to the old offense

Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52491 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:09 pm to
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His OC experience goes back decades. 


Besides his time at LSU and interim 6 games at Auburn, Ensminger has been an OC in 7 seasons but only in 3 at "major" schools.
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4698 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:18 pm to
Brady was brought in to install a RBO segment to the offense. SE openly admitted he know nothing about RPOs. Brady learned that from Morehead at Penn St. He also added some aspects of the saints passing game.

Besides the improvement at QB the LSU WRs improved immensely. That was a direct result of Brady. He added drills and techniques never seen before at LSU anyway. They wore goggles that made them focus on straight ahead vison, no side vision. He had them stand behind closed doors that would open when ball was almost at receiver. They had monitors that would determine if their vision was better running a route right to left or left to right.

No matter who EdO brings in as PGC the "O" will be the same as '19. There will be a drop-off no doubt. Don't think it will be as significant as most outside of LSU are expecting.
Posted by Icoachfb
Greenville SC
Member since Jan 2019
1796 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:09 pm to
I met him, Coach E, a couple times when he was at Clemson. Seemed like a really nice guy. I was working at a school in his recruiting area that didn’t have anyone that could play at Clemson, but he still came and sat and talked a while anyway. Hope he is doing well after the tragedy he went through before the semifinal
Posted by mbogo
Member since Oct 2012
2543 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:20 pm to
LSU had a QB that can't be replaced and one of those teams that had the right chemistry. Some coaches can create that chemistry. Those are the ones that win multiple NCs or have teams that exceed what average coaches couldn't create while some have everything come together by chance and are one hit wonders. O has never shown the ability to create teams like that so he is most likely the latter. We'll see.
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
2800 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:33 pm to
i like the idea of going back. This year just felt weird. Too easy. I've grown accustom to relying on defense to bail us out. It's in my blood
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:39 pm to
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It's odd to see an Aub discussing this when their offense has struggled under CGM for years.



Well, except against bama.
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4698 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:03 pm to
Going into the '18 season some of the socalled college football experts, paid pros and plenty plenty of the rant, didn't even have tigers making a bowl. EdO guided them to a 10 win season.

LSU's '20 "O" will be just fine. Maybe we only score 30-40-50 points a game.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:10 pm to
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LSU's offense national ranking since Orgeron has been the coach.
2016 - 59th
2017 - 54th
2018 - 69th
2019 - 1st

Where are you getting your numbers?

I'm seeing:

2014: 76th
2015: 43rd
2016: 69th
2017: 76th
2018: 38th
2019: 1st

LINK
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58913 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:46 pm to
Okay. You can believe it if you want, but that sounds like a coach that does not want to hang Ensminger out to dry.

I will believe that Brady was the moving force behind that offense.

You don't just overhaul and offense that quickly without having somebody running things that knows thta offense frontwards and backwards. I would be willing to bet that Ensminger never ran an offense like that before, yet you believe Orgeron said he wanted to overhaul the offense and Ensminger learned a new offense and offensive philosophy...taught it to the players in one off season?

Okay.

Look. I have said often that Orgeron deserves all the credit. he saw what was needed, and went out and got the coach that could do it, then stepped out of the way and allowed him to do it. I will never believe that Ensminger learned a totally new offense and offensive philosophy (meaning what the correct calls would work against various defenses) and then taught that offense to the players. That just doesn't happen over night...which is why when a team goes to a different type of offense they typically bring in a new OC.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70901 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:50 pm to
quote:

just don't see Ensminger changing what he has done for decades. When LSU is in a tight game, he will do what he is most comfortable doing. It is obvious Brady had a huge influence on last years O.



I think it was you the other day I attempted to bet $250 on this with

You said we are moving away from the spread, I know without a doubt you are wrong

My offer stands, don’t be skeert
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52491 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:55 pm to
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You can believe it if you want, but that sounds like a coach that does not want to hang Ensminger out to dry. 


Why would he be worried about hanging him out to dry? That article was written before LSU played Oklahoma, back when everyone assumed Brady would be back for at least another year. There was no reason to dress anything up.

quote:

I would be willing to bet that Ensminger never ran an offense like that before


Why do you think they call him Slinger? Dude has ran some wide open offenses, he just never seemed to be at a school with some great offensive talent like LSU had in 2019.

2019 was only Ensminger's second season as LSU's offensive coordinator.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

I think it was you the other day I attempted to bet $250 on this with

You said we are moving away from the spread, I know without a doubt you are wrong

My offer stands, don’t be skeert



and I told you to make it a gazillion $$$$.....not a penny less.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

Why do you think they call him Slinger? Dude has ran some wide open offenses, he just never seemed to be at a school with some great offensive talent like LSU had in 2019.



see 2018.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

Ensminger never ran an offense like that before

You must have missed LSU's 2018 season after the Alabama game.

In the last 3 games of 2018, LSU averaged 24/66 passing (66%), for 350 yards and 3.3 TDs.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:07 pm to
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In the last 3 games of 2018, LSU averaged 24/66 passing (66%), for 350 yards and 3.3 TDs.




but it wasn't the O you ran last year.

I am not sure why LSU fans have such a hard time understanding that the O last year is nothing like what Ensminger has ever run before? Watch those last three games and tell me it looked like last years O.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58913 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

Why would he be worried about hanging him out to dry? That article was written before LSU played Oklahoma, back when everyone assumed Brady would be back for at least another year. There was no reason to dress anything up.



Maybe a bad choice of words. he didn't want to embarrass Ensminger. (I am just guessing about this) He talked Ensminger into taking the OC job when the last guy left, and he didn't want to embarrass Ensminger by firing or replacing him in a public way.

quote:

Why do you think they call him Slinger?

He got that nickname when he was playing, not because of his coaching!

To many of his players, he’s “Slinger” — a reference to his quarterbacking days, when he handed off to Charles Alexander and rifled passes to Carlos Carson.
The Advocate

You might be able to pull that off with some of these guys, but I was born in baton Rouge and grew up a LSU fan. I am very familiar with Ensminger. Trust me. he has never run an offense like LSU had this past year.
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2012
10008 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:12 pm to
Either way all I know is aubbie will take an L again
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52491 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

As Georgia's passing game coordinator in the early 1990s, the Bulldogs threw it all over the lot. The word when Ensminger was fired at Texas A&M in 1996 was it because he didn't run the ball enough.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:13 pm to
sick burn.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58913 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

but it wasn't the O you ran last year.

I am not sure why LSU fans have such a hard time understanding that the O last year is nothing like what Ensminger has ever run before? Watch those last three games and tell me it looked like last years O.


I get it. I mean, if they admit that Brady was the brains behind the offense they think the magic will be gone. But that isn't true. Orgeron can still find somebody that can run something very similar.

It is odd that they refuse to admit that the offense was different in 2018 from what it was in 2019.
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