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re: Looks like Tennessee is transitioning to a 4-2-5 Defense
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:20 am to VFL1800FPD
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:20 am to VFL1800FPD
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When is the last time ya'll beat Bama?
We are 1-6 against bama going back to 2007.
I believe that tennessee is 0-14 during that run.
More recent than you and in fewer attempts.
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:38 am to meansonny
So at your current trajectory you would be at 2-12 if you played them ever year, and thats probably a little bit high given yalls sole win in the saban tenure was in sabans first year. I would say 1-13 looks more realistic.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:48 am to themicah85
“well we haven’t beat them since about the same time as UT, but if we played every year we would have won more!!” 
Posted on 2/18/21 at 12:36 pm to RD Dawg
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So you didn't have it "pegged"
I really liked how Burrow finished the 2018 season. I thought he was tough son of a bitch in a bad scheme so when I heard they were changing approach to a pro spread I thought he'd be nipping at Tua's heels. Of course, before Tua went out they were pretty damn close (I think Burrow had some metrics, Tua some others I can't remember exactly). I didn't think he'd win the Heisman but I did think he was going to establish himself as a first round QB pick in the 2020 draft. Who could predict that Tua goes down mid season and just how fantastic the change in scheme would be for LSU? Just people lying to you and I'm not going to do that. I thought he'd establish himself as one of the best quarterbacks in the conference and - considering that means he's in the convo with Tua - that means one of the best QBs in the country. Of course, I wasn't posting on here back then so you can take my word for it or not. It means nothing either way but I feel like I've had a pretty good read on up-and-coming SEC QBs of late.
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So let's hear it. Give me some approximate numbers. He gonna be at the Heisman dinner?
Max Johnson is actually one of the archetypes for a Heisman winner because he's basically going to come out of nowhere for most people who don't follow the sport closely. Boutte is going to be the best WR in the conference and possibly one of the top WRs in the 2022 NFL Draft. Anybody who can throw to Boutte 10+ times a game is gonna put up healthy stats at QB. I'm not predicting he wins it because my gut feeling is LSU is a 2-3 loss team next year but he definitely fits the mold of a guy who wins the Heisman in the 21st century. Some experience but not already a star.
JT Daniels. Yeah I think he's going to be the Heisman discussion all year if healthy. He's got his whole offense coming back (essentially). I like what I've seen from him considering he didn't show up until the Fall. My only concern for him is UGA's passing offense has been really weird about consistency. Sometimes it is just because why throw it when you can run for 7ypc but other times they have these inexplicable games where their WRs just get physically dominated at the LOS, run sloppy routes, and end up getting their QB in trouble by not hitting spots. Again, that is an outsider looking in...maybe that's changing. Towards the end of the season Pickens seemed to be asserting himself like his frame says he should...doesn't hurt when he's got confidence that his QB can deliver the ball.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:48 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Of course, a mostly positive 4 starts in 2019 was the clue for me that Alabama was unlikely to regress much on offense in 2020 w/ Mac Jones. But you have to be cautious until you see a repeated on the field the next season. No two teams are exactly the same.
Agree. I am by no means guaranteeing nearly 4000 passing yards, but unlike the misery in volunteer land, there are plenty of strong reasons for optimism about the uga passing game going forward.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:13 pm to Smokeyone
That's crazy....heard lsu was going to the 5-5-1-7 defense.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:24 pm to djsdawg
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I am by no means guaranteeing nearly 4000 passing yards
2,800-3,200 for the regular season is realistic for UGA. 4,000 yards for a Mark Smart team is pure unadulterated homerism. Murray did better once and it took him 14 games. That 2,800-3,200 regular season is still likely too high.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:55 pm to Smokeyone
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Murray did better once and it took him 14 games.
Murray averaged about 280 yards per game, which isnt too far off from what JTD did in the final 4 games.
What is 280x13? About 3700 yards. Seems realistic when you really think about it without the flaming glasses that are stuck to your face.
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Mark Smart team
This is just awful posting. Save that for SECtalk.com
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:32 pm to djsdawg
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Murray averaged about 280 yards per game, which isnt too far off from what JTD did in the final 4 games.
What is 280x13? About 3700 yards. Seems realistic when you really think about it without the flaming glasses that are stuck to your face.
A Murray
2010 3049 yards 13 games 234 per game
2011 3149 yards 14 games 224 per game
2012 3893 yards 14 games 278 per game
2013 3075 yards 10 games 307 per game
That whole show your work thing... try it. It might temper those delusions of 4,000 yards passing. The injury shortened year should weighted to reflect 13-14 games based on previous years playing and drop it back to the 270ish range but even with it he was not a solid 280 a game passer. And that was with an offensive minded HC. 2800-3200 in 12 games is a hell of a season for a UGA QB and nothing to be ashamed of.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:22 pm to Smokeyone
Let me walk you though it in a simple way you might be able to understand:
1. Murray played in 25 total games in 2012/13.
2. Murray passed for 6968 yards in these 25 games.
3. When you diving 6968 by 25 games, you get a final # of 278.72, which is
4. When you multiply 278.72 x 13, you get 3623.36 yards.
5. When you multiply 278.72 x 14, you get 3902.08 yards, which is
So yea, its not some impossible idea like you want to believe when you accept that JTD averaged MORE than that per game.
1. Murray played in 25 total games in 2012/13.
2. Murray passed for 6968 yards in these 25 games.
3. When you diving 6968 by 25 games, you get a final # of 278.72, which is
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about 280 yards per game
4. When you multiply 278.72 x 13, you get 3623.36 yards.
5. When you multiply 278.72 x 14, you get 3902.08 yards, which is
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nearly 4000 passing yards
So yea, its not some impossible idea like you want to believe when you accept that JTD averaged MORE than that per game.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 5:49 am to djsdawg
13 games in 2010,14 games in 2011suddenly are not cannon? I mean we are going to really pretend they didn’t happen? #dogfanstats
Posted on 2/19/21 at 6:02 am to Smokeyone
You know you don't have to put the "of" in there right?
Posted on 2/19/21 at 7:02 am to Smokeyone
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games in 2010,14 games in 2011suddenly are not cannon? I
No one said they didn’t happen, but I am saying they aren’t relevant to this discussion about upperclassmen qbs in full control of the offense. How the qbs performed as young dudes is a completely different and far less meaningful discussion.
You need to learn that apples to apples comparisons are the best ones. Try to master the concept for your next assignment.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 7:09 am to djsdawg
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No one said they didn’t happen, but I am saying they aren’t relevant to this discussion about upperclassmen qbs in full control of the offense.
That goalpost is getting a workout today.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 7:49 am to Smokeyone
Each time you mention goal posts, which is a poor effort to avoid the discussion, is a fail on your part.
Of course, you don’t possess the ability to formulate aren’t any good arguments against the potential of our passing game, so what else is there for you to do?
Of course, you don’t possess the ability to formulate aren’t any good arguments against the potential of our passing game, so what else is there for you to do?
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:20 am to djsdawg
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Of course, you don’t possess the ability to formulate aren’t any good arguments against the potential of our passing game,
I’ve provided historical context, personnel context for all parties involved as to why, point by point, your expectations are unrealistic. Your response is to attempt to change the metric repeatedly.
You claim A Murray was a 280 yards a game QB. I demonstrate he wasn’t. You backpedal, change the metric to 1.5 seasons as the only stats that you wish to acknowledge.
You assert that Daniels is looking at a 4,000 yard season. I provided that not only was that unrealistic from a historical standpoint, that in a high powered, pass oriented O when the guy before him and after him thrived, he put up very pedestrian numbers. You ignore the USC stats, the very small sample size, the quality of D and the actual individual game stats
You point to Daniels as a high stat guy based on his 2020 season. I point out that he played 3 really bad SEC Ds and a G5 exhibition game. And that his 3 SEC games saw a bad stat game, an average stat game, and an above average stat game. You responded with a change in metric from yards, attempts, and completion % to something else.
A masterful mix of cherry-picking stats to fit a narrative and moving the goal post away from narratives that you don’t like.
Now you are on upperclassmen QB in an O. And the issue of course is that Monken nor Daniels has demonstrated any kind of stability as a play caller nor QB to warrant such talk.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 9:11 am to Smokeyone
You are simply repeating weak points I already refuted, which you couldn't refute in your turn to:
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You said "Murray did better once and it took him 14 games", so blame yourself for accidentally pointing out a perfect season to compare to. He went 25 straight games averaging about 280. It literally can't be a backpedal when I am simply using the season that YOU specified.
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Of course. No need to acknowledge irrelevant stats from 2010/2018 when a far more reasonable apples to apples comparison exists in 2012/2013/2020.
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I specifically said "I am by no means guaranteeing nearly 4000 passing yards".
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I said "When discussing uga 2021, What he did at uga as a junior in 2020 is far more relevant than what he did at usc as a true freshman in 2018."
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Pretty sure he is scheduled to play more really bad SEC D's and a bowl game in 2021 as well. I said "Some will be easier, some will be harder. Unlike those 4 games, we get to play Vandy, Tech, and 2 nobodies in 2021."
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I said "If the stats you included werent the basis of the passer rating score, your point might not be as terrible as it is. Its not changing it when thats the case. It is presenting it in a more reasonable and clear manner though.
Any reasonable and educated fan knows best way to analyze a QB's performance is to look at the QUALITY of a performance.
Only an idiot knocks a QB because the # of attempts is low in a game, or praises him because he threw 50 passes in a game. Dont be that idiot."
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I said "If I were cherry picking, I would act like the South Carolina game didn’t happen as that outlier skews the 307 yards per game down."
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I said "You need to learn that apples to apples comparisons are the best ones."
Of course you will avoid each point yet again......
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You claim A Murray was a 280 yards a game QB.
You said "Murray did better once and it took him 14 games", so blame yourself for accidentally pointing out a perfect season to compare to. He went 25 straight games averaging about 280. It literally can't be a backpedal when I am simply using the season that YOU specified.
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the only stats that you wish to acknowledge.
Of course. No need to acknowledge irrelevant stats from 2010/2018 when a far more reasonable apples to apples comparison exists in 2012/2013/2020.
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You assert that Daniels is looking at a 4,000 yard season.
I specifically said "I am by no means guaranteeing nearly 4000 passing yards".
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the guy before him and after him thrived,
I said "When discussing uga 2021, What he did at uga as a junior in 2020 is far more relevant than what he did at usc as a true freshman in 2018."
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I point out that he played 3 really bad SEC Ds and a G5 exhibition game.
Pretty sure he is scheduled to play more really bad SEC D's and a bowl game in 2021 as well. I said "Some will be easier, some will be harder. Unlike those 4 games, we get to play Vandy, Tech, and 2 nobodies in 2021."
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You responded with a change in metric from yards, attempts, and completion % to something else.
I said "If the stats you included werent the basis of the passer rating score, your point might not be as terrible as it is. Its not changing it when thats the case. It is presenting it in a more reasonable and clear manner though.
Any reasonable and educated fan knows best way to analyze a QB's performance is to look at the QUALITY of a performance.
Only an idiot knocks a QB because the # of attempts is low in a game, or praises him because he threw 50 passes in a game. Dont be that idiot."
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A masterful mix of cherry-picking stats
I said "If I were cherry picking, I would act like the South Carolina game didn’t happen as that outlier skews the 307 yards per game down."
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Now you are on upperclassmen QB in an O.
I said "You need to learn that apples to apples comparisons are the best ones."
Of course you will avoid each point yet again......
Posted on 2/19/21 at 10:04 am to Smokeyone
Smokey, I’ll give you credit for playing against the waggish shtick.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 10:35 am to djsdawg
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You said "Murray did better once and it took him 14 games", so blame yourself for accidentally pointing out a perfect season to compare to. He went 25 straight games averaging about 280. It literally can't be a backpedal when I am simply using the season that YOU specified.
So your mind saw that UGA has never had a QB close to 4,000 yards passing and decided that you could cherry enough random games to get their all time passing leader(a 250ish YPG guy) to 280 yards a game? And to do this you used a season and a half of stats when 4 years worth are provided?
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Of course. No need to acknowledge irrelevant stats from 2010/2018 when a far more reasonable apples to apples comparison exists in 2012/2013/2020.
No need to acknowledge stats from the same system or same player because despite being readily available and pertinent information they don’t fit your preconception bias....
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specifically said "I am by no means guaranteeing nearly 4000 passing yards".
No you are calling for 3,900 yards multiple times “300 x 13= ______ do the math show your work....”
And doing so for a guy that when in a system that allowed such lofty numbers to look reasonable you don’t want to count that year
USC 2017 4143 12 games
USC 2018 2673 11 games
USC 2019 3502 13 games
Daniels is going to complete around 65% of his passes, average around 240 yards a game. Buster Faulkner isnt going to turn Daniels into a great QB.
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said "When discussing uga 2021, What he did at uga as a junior in 2020 is far more relevant than what he did at usc as a true freshman in 2018."
So it’s not system or consistent performance (or lack thereof) that we should judge him as a QB by but overall stats for 3 games (that we can’t look to closely at) against teams that had given up and a G5 exhibition game the other team was disappointed to be in. Because the other season in an established O that allows QBs to shine doesn’t matter, the fact Monken has never called plays for 2 years in a row for the same team doesn’t matter, the only thing that matters is 3-4 games in a throw away season. And the worst part of this is that you honestly believe it. Which is why you generally don’t post much during the season.
The last word is yours I believe we have covered this topic as far as it can go.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 4:06 pm to Smokeyone
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And to do this you used a season and a half of stats when 4 years worth are provided?
Season and a half? 25 games is 2 seasons.
Considering JTD averages over 300 ypg, JTD has that same potential Murray did as an experienced upperclassmen, but you are way too blinded by hatred and jealously to admit it.
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