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re: Looking forward: 2017-18 SEC Basketball season
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:33 am to BowlJackson
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:33 am to BowlJackson
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Oh yeah that's totally all there is too it.
Bama opponent bricks wide open shot = what amazing defense!
Auburn opponent hits 30 ft 3 with defenders hand in his face = what shite defense
that is the rant narrative
You really think that defense alone explains a team like South Carolina that shoots 34% from 3 to go 15-27 from 3 for 58%? Mkay
...looks like you're clueless about all sports. Did you watch the Alabama/Auburn game in Tuscaloosa this year? All any person of normal intelligence needs to do is look at Alabama's opponents shooting % and average points allowed to get an answer...try it.
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:40 am to GatorsGators
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This is easily explained
I hate the narrative of "opponents" get hot when playing AU since you can't defend it..... usually
Free Throw shooting is theoretically independent of defensive capabilities (you can't defend FTs). Teams opponent FT% should be relatively similar when playing against similar opponents except
Auburn Opponent FT stats
50% (9 games) of Auburn SEC opponents have shot 80+% FT.
Auburn ranked #268 nationally in Opponent FT% vs Auburn (72.1%)
That national rank is absurd given that only 1/13 OOC opponents shot >75% FT vs Auburn.
Since you've been doing this AU vs Bama comparison, we can use them as a benchmark
5% (1 game) of Alabama's SEC opponents have shot 80+% FT
Alabama ranked #34 nationally in opponent FT% vs Bama (67.4%)
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:47 am
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:37 am to GenesChin
Auburn fans should be building up this year's Alabama team because we are the only power conference team they beat that has a winning conference record.
The rest of Auburn's power conference wins are a combined 27-81 in conference play.
The rest of Auburn's power conference wins are a combined 27-81 in conference play.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:39 am to GenesChin
quote:I'm not a fan of Bama, so I have no reason to be delusional about their basketball program
Alabama overall will improve, would be shocking if they didn't. To say that Alabama will be top 3? That is LSU football level delusion right there
It's not like finishing third means they'll be Top 10
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:52 am to GatorsGators
Yea, it's hard to predict conference standings or finishes.
My expectation is 20+ wins, a Top 50 RPI and a 8-10 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
Anything less than that will be a disappointment.
My expectation is 20+ wins, a Top 50 RPI and a 8-10 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
Anything less than that will be a disappointment.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:50 pm to jangalang
"Your B-ball program isn't historically that much better than ours"
Yes they are....
Alabama basketball:
All time wins: 1,618 (ranks 34th all time in the country, 3rd in SEC)
All time winning %: 61.8 (ranks 27th all time)
# of NCAA tourney appearances - 20
# of Sweet 16s - 8
# of Elite 8s - 1
# of conference titles - 8
# of conference tourney titles - 6
Auburn basketball:
All time wins - 1,305 (outside top 100)
All time winning % - 52.5 (outside top 100)
# of NCAA tourney appearances - 8
# of Sweet 16s - 4
# of Elite 8s - 1
# of conference titles - 2
# of conference tourney titles - 1
Yes they are....
Alabama basketball:
All time wins: 1,618 (ranks 34th all time in the country, 3rd in SEC)
All time winning %: 61.8 (ranks 27th all time)
# of NCAA tourney appearances - 20
# of Sweet 16s - 8
# of Elite 8s - 1
# of conference titles - 8
# of conference tourney titles - 6
Auburn basketball:
All time wins - 1,305 (outside top 100)
All time winning % - 52.5 (outside top 100)
# of NCAA tourney appearances - 8
# of Sweet 16s - 4
# of Elite 8s - 1
# of conference titles - 2
# of conference tourney titles - 1
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 2:10 pm to Hawgeye
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don't see Vandy. Kornet does so much for them in spacing their offense and being their only interior defensive threat. Baptiste has the physical frame of a god but he's looked like he's never seen a basketball at times. I also wouldn't be shocked if MFD leaves.
I know they lose Kornet, but I really like Drew if he sticks with their program. They'll return LaChance, Fisher-Davis, Roberson, and Willis. Which means they will still be able to light teams up from the outside. If Baptiste progresses, they'll be pretty darn good IMO.
Hawgeye gets it, Drew is a damn good coach. Kornet's a tremendously unique player but he's never been a threat in the low post. LaChance has had a very good season given his ability but he's not really a PG (or at least a high level one). VU will be better in 2017-18.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 2:11 pm to Govt Tide
No doubt losing Thornwell will hurt. Now with that said, I thought losing Carrera was going to be as big a blow this season but have been pleasantly surprised by our players progress from year 1 to year 2.
Silva and Dozier should be back to lead team next year. Silva has the tools to be an absolute beast if he can stay out of foul trouble. Kotsar will improve and be back next year as well a transfer Kory Holden who averaged 20+ points per game at Delaware and would already be our best shooter this year if on the team.
I think we should be somewhere in the 4-8 range next year in SEC with a definite shot at reaching the tournament
Silva and Dozier should be back to lead team next year. Silva has the tools to be an absolute beast if he can stay out of foul trouble. Kotsar will improve and be back next year as well a transfer Kory Holden who averaged 20+ points per game at Delaware and would already be our best shooter this year if on the team.
I think we should be somewhere in the 4-8 range next year in SEC with a definite shot at reaching the tournament
Posted on 3/6/17 at 2:49 pm to Smoke7024
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We're losing Dunans and Ronnie Johnson which are easily replaceable.
Dunans was very inconsistent, but man, when he was on his game he was electric. I know you're probably referring to consistency, but I'll miss seeing his athleticism.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:03 pm to CockyTime
I actually completely forgot about Holden
Dozier
Felder/Gravett/Beatty
Holden
Kotsar
Silva
Is a pretty good lineup. Like Ole Miss and UGA, they have a higher floor and lower ceiling than the Bama/Mississippi State/Auburn group.
Dozier
Felder/Gravett/Beatty
Holden
Kotsar
Silva
Is a pretty good lineup. Like Ole Miss and UGA, they have a higher floor and lower ceiling than the Bama/Mississippi State/Auburn group.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:07 pm to GatorsGators
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Is a pretty good lineup. Like Ole Miss and UGA, they have a higher floor and lower ceiling than the Bama/Mississippi State/Auburn group.
I just don't see it with Georgia. Maybe its because Frazier has been a thorn in our side and carried them for so long, but I just haven't been impressed with anyone outside of him and Maten.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:18 pm to GatorsGators
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Dozier
Felder/Gravett/Beatty
Holden
Kotsar
Silva
Going to look like a classic Frank Martin team, can't score but neither can their opponents
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I just don't see it with Georgia.
They should return Maten + a decent number of minutes from solid underclassmen. Classic UGA Fox team, ~18-21W but won't be special, won't be bad.
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Ole Miss
My mind is telling me they'll not be good
My body is telling me to prepare thy anus for Andy Kennedy
Losing Sebastian Saiz is a huge deal, that most people will completely overlook. Should offset that by returning nearly their entire backcourt though
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:20 pm to GenesChin
IF for whatever reason we keep Jones, probably slightly less shitty than we are this year (4-14, 5-13?). IF we go out and hire just about anyone else, around .500 in league play.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:21 pm to BowlJackson
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The only teams we didn't blow double digit leads against were Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt.
This is not correct.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:24 pm to CockyTime
Maten is the preseason player of the year imo. Ogbeide has shown flashes and that's going to be one of the best frontcourts in the conference.
They're obviously going to have a rough time replacing Frazier, but they have talented guys who will be forced to step up. Jackson, Harris, and Crump all have shown flashes. Parker and Wilridge are solid role players. Hightower and Hammonds both could be impact freshmen.
They're at least an NIT-level team as long as Maten comes back imo.
They're obviously going to have a rough time replacing Frazier, but they have talented guys who will be forced to step up. Jackson, Harris, and Crump all have shown flashes. Parker and Wilridge are solid role players. Hightower and Hammonds both could be impact freshmen.
They're at least an NIT-level team as long as Maten comes back imo.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:33 pm to jangalang
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Your B-Ball program isn't historically that much better, your current coach is 1-3 against Pearl, and your hangar of an arena is the worst arena in the SEC. Pathetic.
Except it actually is a better program and always will be. 8 sweet 16 appearances is a lot better than 8 total NCAAT appearances. I understand Auburn fans have a hard time grasping the concept of basketball, but your shitty program is more comparable to UAB than Alabama. Congrats on sweeping Alabama for the first time since 09 though. Only 33 more victories and you'll actually tie the series to satisfy your delusional fan base.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:39 pm to CockyTime
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I just haven't been impressed with anyone outside of him and Maten
It's not that I disagree with you, but what team would you conceivably take the best 2 players from and still be impressed with? I get it... Fox's teams are easy to not like and are often unimpressive outside of a player or two. Just not a good argument to make your case on.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:39 pm to Gary Busey
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8 sweet 16 appearances is a lot better than 8 total NCAAT appearances
Meaningless when you've still only advanced past the Sweet 16 the same number of times as Auburn.
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but your shitty program is more comparable to UAB than Alabama.
UAB is a better basketball program than Alabama, just like it's a better school. Bartow was right about UAt being threatened by UAB. That man had amazing foresight.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:47 pm to BowlJackson
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Meaningless when you've still only advanced past the Sweet 16 the same number of times as Auburn.
Yes, having more tournament appearances, more success in the tournament, more total wins, more conference tournament championships, conference regular season championships, and dominating the series is irrelevant.
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UAB is a better basketball program than Alabama, just like it's a better school. Bartow was right about UAt being threatened by UAB. That man had amazing foresight.
Alabama has made it to round 32 more than UAB has even made the tournament, so I'm sorry, they don't have a better program. But hey, they only have one less sweet 16 than Auburn, so you guys can fight over who's 3rd in the state.
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UAt
lol
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:51 pm to fibonaccisquared
My argument is based on how much they have relied on Frazier since Maten went down. He single handedly has carried that team to a few wins since the injury when I would've expected someone else to step up in Maten's absence to help out. I know someone will step up next year between now and then but I just don't see an obvious candidate to do that at this point. I think Frazier is the SEC POY this year if it wasn't for someone like Thornwell who is just as important on our team on offense except better defensively.
Also, if Fox is gone after this year, I wonder if that means Maten is too.
Also, if Fox is gone after this year, I wonder if that means Maten is too.
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