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re: Les Miles and LSU: SECR opinion
Posted on 7/10/11 at 12:32 am to StreetDiction
Posted on 7/10/11 at 12:32 am to StreetDiction
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The sec west is tough but les will most likely win another bcsncg in the next three years.
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Posted on 7/10/11 at 12:51 am to Jon Ham
not sure why a piggie is shaking his head at that statement. LSU and Bama are the class of the SEC west this year (and for the foreseeable future).
Posted on 7/10/11 at 12:52 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
Auburn also had the 9th best rushing defense in the nation.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 1:25 am to ibldprplgld
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not sure why a piggie is shaking his head at that statement.
possible /= likely
Posted on 7/10/11 at 1:42 am to memphisplaya
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This post was edited on 7/10/11 at 2:01 am
Posted on 7/10/11 at 8:50 am to mcallo4358
quote:And 108th in pass defense.
Auburn also had the 9th best rushing defense in the nation.
Not saying the rush D wasn't good, but part of the reason the rush D stats were so good is most decided to throw on Auburn because the secondary was awful.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 8:53 am to GeauxTigersLee
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And 108th in pass defense. Not saying the rush D wasn't good, but part of the reason the rush D stats were so good is most decided to throw on Auburn because the secondary was awful.
Depends on which side you are looking from. I think they passed every down because they knew they could not run on us. Thus, more passing yards
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:05 am to Jon Ham
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Jon Ham
Well using simple patterning, I would say it is more than possible. 2003, 2007,_____. 2011 seems like it may be our year again. Now lets do Arkansas.
____,____,____. Well I got nothing.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:12 am to Wild Thang
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the overall talent is getting better
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Wild Thang
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You're right. Arkansas = a bunch of untalented losers
To stay on topic, I think Les is a good coach.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:23 am to Brew Drees
I wonder what the perception of Miles would be right now had he gone 8-5 or 9-4 last year. 3 plays that SHOULD have been made would've resulted in 3 losses to mediocre teams.
-UNC dropped 2 passed in the end zone at end of game
-If UT wouldn't have substituted, game over
-The UF game, fluke fake FG should've never happened
I know these are all what if's, but he was within 3 plays that probably should've gone the other way of going 8-5.
Those 11 wins (that shouldn't have been) are what is making everyone expect 11 more this year, and the reason the hype is so big for LSU. Therefore, LSU won't live up to that hype this year, and people will go back to questioning Miles again.
I see 9-3 tops, 8-4 likely with 4 losses between these 6 teams (Oregon, WVU, MSU, Bama, Arkansas, UF)
-UNC dropped 2 passed in the end zone at end of game
-If UT wouldn't have substituted, game over
-The UF game, fluke fake FG should've never happened
I know these are all what if's, but he was within 3 plays that probably should've gone the other way of going 8-5.
Those 11 wins (that shouldn't have been) are what is making everyone expect 11 more this year, and the reason the hype is so big for LSU. Therefore, LSU won't live up to that hype this year, and people will go back to questioning Miles again.
I see 9-3 tops, 8-4 likely with 4 losses between these 6 teams (Oregon, WVU, MSU, Bama, Arkansas, UF)
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:34 am to TennisNole
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TennisNole
That's a great analysis
If The refs wouldn't have called PP out of bounds when both feet were clearly in bound, if fat boy Cody hadn't gotten a finger on the Tenn field goal, and didn't state or Ole miss have Alabama by 3 in the fourth quarter that year? See every team needs luck on their side. Don't come in here talking shite about our coach, when it took an LSU coach to get your program back on track. I mean Bowden was a legend, but he had all but wiped his arse and flushed the football program down the toilet.
We know you've had a couple of good recruiting classes over there, but dont talk shite about a head coach with a NC until yours wins one.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:43 am to TennisNole
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I see 9-3 tops, 8-4 likely
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:43 am to TennisNole
Ok, if you want to play hypothetical
LSU pulled most of their starters early in that game and gave as many as 7 true freshman action. Mostly in the secondary. UNC shredded those young DB's that are now considered some of the nations best. Ridley fumbled twice and didn't fumble again all season. I guess you just left all that out and focused on the negative huh?
But they did, we played like shite though.
are you shitting me? Just because it was the first time you beat FL in who knows how long doesn't mean the rest of us have had that much trouble. LSU was in control of that game from start to finish. PP Fumbles a Punt giving them a short field and Debose takes a KO to the house. Brantly and their backs were ill-effective that game and I dare you to argue that game further. FL by no means was a fluke win nor did UF deserve to win.
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-UNC dropped 2 passed in the end zone at end of game
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-UNC dropped 2 passed in the end zone at end of game
LSU pulled most of their starters early in that game and gave as many as 7 true freshman action. Mostly in the secondary. UNC shredded those young DB's that are now considered some of the nations best. Ridley fumbled twice and didn't fumble again all season. I guess you just left all that out and focused on the negative huh?
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-If UT wouldn't have substituted, game over
But they did, we played like shite though.
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The UF game, fluke fake FG should've never happened
are you shitting me? Just because it was the first time you beat FL in who knows how long doesn't mean the rest of us have had that much trouble. LSU was in control of that game from start to finish. PP Fumbles a Punt giving them a short field and Debose takes a KO to the house. Brantly and their backs were ill-effective that game and I dare you to argue that game further. FL by no means was a fluke win nor did UF deserve to win.
This post was edited on 7/10/11 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:52 am to Arkansasrazorback
quote:These are my favorite comments. "He is a likable guy, but not a great coach". Are you all former players that were coached by Les Miles? Until a former player or former players come out and say, 'yeah I was coached by Miles. And he is not a good coach', where do any of these comments find any merit?
I still think Les is lucky as hell. But his track record is good and hard to argue with. I like Les's personality more than I do as him as a coach
There are arguably over 1 million coaches associated with some aspect of football in this country. There are close to 300 coaches in the NFL. There are probably twice that many in FBS ball. That is close to 1,000 coaches. Out of a million. All of them have to be somewhat 'good' to get those jobs. But lets go further.
There are 10? Elite teams in FBS. Lets just say that those ten elite teams, along with their coaches, can get their destination job to the NFL if they wanted. So thats 42 coaches out of a million aspiring minds in this country.
These coaches (42 of them) all get paid 1 million dollars+ to compete against each other. Some look 'worse' than others because they just get out-coached, and thus the labeling of a coach being 'bad' because he competes against another elite coach and not one of the 999,000 coaches out there that are really 'bad'.
Enter Les Miles, who has been a head coach, an assistant coach, at more levels (NFL and College combined) than most of these guys. He has had more games against college's best like Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier Urban Meyer, Mark Richt, Tommy Tuberville, Phillip Fulmer, Gene Chizik, Bob Stoops, Mack Brown, Jim Tressell, Frank Beamer, Joe Paterno...and lets not forget assistants of his that have gone on to be head coaches at College football powerhouses: Bo Pelini to Nebraska. Jimbo Fisher to Florida State.
And for all of you worshippers at the Altar of Saban, Nick is the one that helped LSU in their search for a new head coach and strongly recommended Les Miles out of Oklahoma State University.
This guy, Les Miles is easily a top 3 coach in College Football frick top 5. Who you got in the top 5? Nick Saban? Ok. Urban is retired he dont count. Tresell is gone he doesnt count. You cant possibly be thinking Bob Stoops can you? And don't say Steve-what-have-you-done-for-me-lately Spurrier? Les is a top 3 coach in college football. And when we beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa this year and take the NC later, he will be #1
This post was edited on 7/10/11 at 9:56 am
Posted on 7/10/11 at 10:06 am to LanierSpots
quote:That might make sense if they weren't ranked below 100th.
Depends on which side you are looking from. I think they passed every down because they knew they could not run on us. Thus, more passing yards
How about this then? Auburn was 12th in the most defensive snaps. That means Auburn couldn't get the opposing offense off the field, which proves the point of why run when you can get 1st downs passing the ball.
In addition, Auburn was one of 5 teams with over 500 pass attempts against them.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 10:30 am to Jon Ham
i think all would agree that it takes to win the sec and play for natl champ is 1. a great defensive line, and 2. a great qb.
thats it, thats what it takes. Example Auburn last year. LSU will be as good as JJ which right now is a mystery. If he plays solid like he did against Bama, and Texas A&M this whole year, then we have a shot. I still think Bama is the team to beat in the west.
thats it, thats what it takes. Example Auburn last year. LSU will be as good as JJ which right now is a mystery. If he plays solid like he did against Bama, and Texas A&M this whole year, then we have a shot. I still think Bama is the team to beat in the west.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 10:35 am to mckibaj
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I still think Les is lucky as hell.
The thing is you make your own luck to a degree. Something happening once or twice you can legitimately say could be luck. But when it happens again and again year after year, is it still luck? or is it that Les is actually a damn good coach and a hell of lot smarter than any of these frickers who continuously bash him?
Posted on 7/10/11 at 10:39 am to BayouBengalBoi
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And for all of you worshippers at the Altar of Saban, Nick is the one that helped LSU in their search for a new head coach and strongly recommended Les Miles out of Oklahoma State University.
I am far from a Saban worshipper, matter of fact I prefer Miles over Saban. But your gonna have to link something to verify this? As fars I remember the only person that any kind of recommendation from Saban and it was a vague one at that. Saban told LSU that they should look at Houston Nutt because head done so much with so little talent at Arkansas.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 2:04 pm to TennisNole
Since you're being hypothetical, we couldve just as easily:
Beaten AU and Arkansas and gone to the national championship
Beaten AU and Arkansas and gone to the national championship
Posted on 7/10/11 at 2:33 pm to old man tiger
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i think all would agree that it takes to win the sec and play for natl champ is 1. a great defensive line, and 2. a great qb.
Disagree with #2. I wouldn't consider McElroy, Flynn, Mauck, Leak, Tee Martin, or Wuerffel great QBs. They were all good QBs who managed the game very well and didn't turn the ball over.
This post was edited on 7/10/11 at 2:42 pm
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