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re: Kirby an Mullen speak out against free agency. Fear is that open transfers
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:20 pm to bigdawg7780
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:20 pm to bigdawg7780
But students are free to transfer universities provides the other university accepts them, and their current university can’t limit where they can go, most of the time they can still graduate on time.
So we can’t really pretend this is about academics.
So we can’t really pretend this is about academics.
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Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:50 pm to SammyTiger
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Why should we hold them to a higher standard than any other student on scholarship?
You want to hold them to the same standard as an academic scholarship? That would require grades that would qualify for an academic scholarship.
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There is no academic reason for them to sit out a year transferring.
They don't have to sit out of classes. They get classes immediately.
The rule is that they can't play after a transfer unless they have already earned their diploma. Otherwise they sit for a year.
Why do the kids have to sign a LOI? That's a question for the ncaa. I don't know if they are smart enough to answer that one.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:53 pm to SammyTiger
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So we can’t really pretend this is about academics.
The rule is that kids with their degree get to transfer immediately.
That... by definition... is academics.
It literally is a rule for student athletes about academics.
It couldn't be any more academic than... do you have a degree? Yes? Then go ahead and transfer to pursue an academic grad program and feel free to play football right away if that is what you love to do.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:56 pm to jimdog
I like the grad transfer rule the way it was. If you graduated early, you should be able to transfer. I don't like coaches telling where they can't transfer to. Coaches go where they want and they signed a contract plus make millions.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:00 pm to meansonny
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Can “students” not freely transfer colleges?
If they are accepted into the new university... yes.
They don't get to carry their scholarships with them.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:01 pm to SammyTiger
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But students are free to transfer universities provides the other university accepts them, and their current university can’t limit where they can go, most of the time they can still graduate on time.
So we can’t really pretend this is about academics.
You people are goddamned idiots.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:04 pm to Evolved Simian
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They don't get to carry their scholarships with them.
He was asking about the general population with that question. He was trying to make a point.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:07 pm to meansonny
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He was asking about the general population with that question. He was trying to make a point.
It's an unintelligent point, as the premise is about scholarshipped athletes.
Their academic equivalents are students with academic scholarships, not the general population.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:09 pm to Evolved Simian
Agreed. But I wanted to see him illustrate his point so I entertained the question.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:14 pm to Evolved Simian
Those who think that being forced to stay at a school is slavery will be the ones ok with players having agents and demanding contracts and instead of amateur athletics, we see the end of college football. Teams will minor league farm teams and nothing else, frick that.
Look at how many dumb butts leave early for the NFL and are driving a beer truck within 2 or 3 years flat broke. Only those who know for sure they are first rounders should leave and even high draft picks can benefit from staying an extra year to become a higher pick and a lot more $$$$
Look at how many dumb butts leave early for the NFL and are driving a beer truck within 2 or 3 years flat broke. Only those who know for sure they are first rounders should leave and even high draft picks can benefit from staying an extra year to become a higher pick and a lot more $$$$
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:50 am to Mud_Till_May
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The sitting out a year is slavery
Posted on 7/21/18 at 8:55 am to deeprig9
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Bama is on the way down. Hitting all the buttons in the elevator.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 9:01 am to Mud_Till_May
You guys remember when slaves were given a free college education, the opportunity to make an comfortable life for themselves, and the option to just quit and leave with zero legal repercussions?
Posted on 7/21/18 at 9:18 am to Roaad
Somebody's been subjected to too many liberal arts profs!Posted on 7/21/18 at 9:34 am to meansonny
You’re using the fact that a rule exists to justify the rule.
I understand This is the rule the students agree to.
But that alone doesn’t make it a good rule.
You’ve yet to illustrate how this rule benefits the individual as a student.
It’s about sports.
I understand This is the rule the students agree to.
But that alone doesn’t make it a good rule.
You’ve yet to illustrate how this rule benefits the individual as a student.
It’s about sports.
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 9:40 am
Posted on 7/21/18 at 9:35 am to Evolved Simian
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They don't get to carry their scholarships with them
But you can also get a scholarship at a new school.
It’s not like you can’t apply for a scholarship when you transfers
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:28 pm to SammyTiger
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You’ve yet to illustrate how this rule benefits the individual as a student.
The rule doesn't have to benefit the individual as a student. Some rules are created to protect the entity with the higher risk. In this thread, I already laid out for you why there might be a need for some form of penalty on transfers for students who have not yet graduated.
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quote: Do they have to sit out any classes?
Not exactly a valid question, given that a student athlete doesn't have to sit out any classes upon transfer. In fact, they are given a scholarship immediately even in spite of the fact that they are required to sit out currently if not a graduate transfer. With no special circumstances (coach leaves, family issues, etc), I see no reason why all student athletes should be afforded the option of just bailing and going to wherever they want with no penalty at all. The initial school assumes the risk that you may or may not be able to contribute in exchange for a scholarship... upon practicing and learning, you find that you are not quite good enough to start but are good enough to finally be of value to the team... so you take that value and put it on the open market with no downside. Basically, you're asking the initial institute to be a "trade school" or apprenticeship program, and then act as a revolving door. I think there are a lot of things that are *not* in the favor of the student athlete, but a one year sit penalty for transferring prior to graduation is not one of them. It's within reason so long as the cases with extenuating circumstances have room for appeal and are legitimately considered.
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