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re: Is Saban correct about NIL ruining college athletics as we know it?

Posted on 3/16/24 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by theballguy
Colorado Springs, CO
Member since Oct 2011
2130 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 4:27 pm to
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NIL has absolutely ruined football, but I'm not gonna pretend Saban pioneered this school of thought.



He's the biggest name to speak about it by far though it's much easier for him to do it now he's out of the game.
Posted by Al_Bundy
Member since Jul 2020
126 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 4:30 pm to
Exactly how I feel. It's done made me not even care anymore
Posted by RAB
Member since Aug 2019
990 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 4:31 pm to
The poster child of the evil of NIL is Isaiah Bond sitting inside his Lamborghini. It is of the devil. The rich will only get richer and everybody else will be playing for a playoff berth.
Posted by BigScoreboard
Member since May 2021
913 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 4:34 pm to
No, the thing that has done the most toward ruining college football is greed all right, but it's the greed of the NCAA, the schools and the coaches. It's likely that NIL would have never come along if the powers that be had adopted a fair and equitable payment system for the players, following the model of the NFL. Instead, the powers kicked the can down the road and resisted a fair system at every turn. In other words, they waited for the courts to decide, and voila, here's the NIL.
Posted by theballguy
Colorado Springs, CO
Member since Oct 2011
2130 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 4:38 pm to
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The poster child of the evil of NIL is Isaiah Bond sitting inside his Lamborghini.


Something about that kid doesn't sit well with me. He and that other kid who went to Ohio State.

Mainly because they quit on Bama.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4314 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 5:37 pm to
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Is Saban correct about NIL ruining college athletics as we know it?

1. The fans may not like it, but a bunch of people are still going to watch the games.

2. Escalating coaching salaries have contributed to the desire of players to make money too. Coaching staffs making $15,000,000 to lead an extracurricular activity at an institute of higher learning is fricking ridiculous and part of the problem.

3. All of this has been a long time coming because fan expectations of players are way too high.

You all want…

A. NFL caliber players. You don’t want to see a 5’7” 150 lb. accounting major with a 5.0 40 catching jailbreak screens. And Connor Couchass in Wyoming who couldn’t give a frick about LSU sure as hell doesn’t want to see that either. He will watch, though, if the next Randy Moss is catching that screen.

It’s not JUST the brand that drives ratings. It’s the brand plus a lot of guys who will be playing on Sunday.

B. The best players you can get regardless of where they come from or if they are legitimate college caliber students. You will sign a 5 star kid from Los Angeles who can barely spell his name over a 4.0 GPA 3 star kid from Baton Rouge if it means the difference in winning a championship - and then bitch about the 5 star not having loyalty or valuing a college education while you do it.

You all want 85 ambitious, dedicated NFL caliber players with unwavering loyalty to a school who value education as serious students and are content with everyone around them making 6-8 figures off their heroics as they put their bodies and futures on the line with every snap. That’s an awful lot to ask.

Sorry, but the true and loyal student-athlete on one ends meets the win-at-all-costs multibillion dollar industry of fans, coaches, and administrators on the other end was an imbalance that was bound to crack at some point.

The amateur nature of college football was on borrowed time for a while. The 50 year free trial offer has expired, and now you’re going to have to start paying players for their contribution to a sport that you all let get out of hand because you care way too much about winning.

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The coaches getting paid argument is flawed. They are the tippy top 1% of their vocation for a reason. Most start out as GAs living out of the dorms and maybe getting minimum wage. They hustle their way up the chain just like a CEO climbs the corporate ladder. A kid coming on campus making millions before taking a single snap has barely climbed out of bed.

In the last few years there have been girls who haven’t graduated from high school who make more money from TikTok than a lot of us will see in a decade of working legitimate jobs.

The world’s not fair, and people are worth whatever someone is willing to pay them.
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 7:58 pm
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
1767 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 5:47 pm to
Post of the decade.
Posted by Portcityblues
Member since Jan 2017
635 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 5:57 pm to
I’m fine with getting paid some but not some of these outrageous numbers. I would like to see no player get paid until they have been there a full year. Then cap it at like $20k a year. What other college kid that works through college even makes that? Then every year you stay at the school increase the cap by a certain amount to where they can make a little more each year. If u transfer regardless of grade then they go back to the $20k. Encourage and pay kids for staying at school they committed to and give them money to live good on but not to the point of buying momma a house stuff before they even play a down.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
16001 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:25 pm to
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I’m fine with getting paid some but not some of these outrageous numbers. I would like to see no player get paid until they have been there a full year.


Do you feel that any other workers need to work for a year before getting paid? They are entertainers and should be paid as such.

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Then cap it at like $20k a year.

College sports are a billion dollar industry. 20k would inspire a competitor league to take the talent out of the college game, making college sports unwatchable thus killing the sport.

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What other college kid that works through college even makes that?

Entertainers make millions in college. I work with a kid that made 40k in retail as freshmen in college last year doing 35 hours a week in a retail gig.

Maybe 100k for p5 schools. In east TN highschool kids make 14.00 an hour doing part time jobs, 20k to make school tens of millions would be an insult.
Posted by CastleBravo
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2013
101 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:39 pm to
100% correct. It is ruined.

Teams will have to re-build from scratch every year as players will always be looking for better $. No school loyalty, schools with the most $ to spend on NIL will typically bet tops.
Posted by Lateralus1
Member since Mar 2024
304 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:48 pm to
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I’m fine with getting paid some but not some of these outrageous numbers. I would like to see no player get paid until they have been there a full year. Then cap it at like $20k a year. What other college kid that works through college even makes that? Then every year you stay at the school increase the cap by a certain amount to where they can make a little more each year. If u transfer regardless of grade then they go back to the $20k. Encourage and pay kids for staying at school they committed to and give them money to live good on but not to the point of buying momma a house stuff before they even play a down.


Sounds anti-capitalist to me
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8094 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:56 pm to
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I disagree vehemently with Saban


Imagine that.
Posted by mattloc
Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4313 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:13 pm to
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FACTS:
1. Man walked on the Moon.
2. Bammer football is the filthiest program in the history of college athletics,
3. Nick Saban is the most unethical, underhanded cheater to ever be a college head coach.
4. We now have NIL because of Saban and Alabama's cheating.



Hey dude ...do you have one shred of proof , or is this just more of your conspiracy theorist mindset?

Rage against the machine
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5931 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:28 pm to
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Don’t spin this as liberal-conservative. I will remind you that the Supreme Court decision that cleared the way for NIL was 9-0 with Alito, Thomas, Barrett, Kavanaugh, Roberts and Gorsuch all in the majority.


Trust me I was not. All political parties in the United States are liberal. They believe in representative democracy, free market economies, and a rule-based order upheld by the judicial system.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42645 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:29 pm to
What's the difference between NIL and a Dodge Charger?
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5931 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:30 pm to
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What's the difference between NIL and a Dodge Charger?



The kids don't bother the head football coach about it. Even NFL head coaches don't have to deal with the money bullshite.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
1767 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:31 pm to
K reading you now, you are talking “classically liberal.”
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
26783 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:34 pm to
He's correct, football was so much better when bama could dish out chargers to get 5* players to ride the pine.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5931 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:35 pm to
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K reading you now, you are talking “classically liberal.”



Right on. It doesn't roll off the tongue with what I was trying to say in the first post.
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
9690 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:36 pm to
No, did you see it was just Saban whining. NIL, collectives and transfer portal are the best thing to happen to sports. At least according to the idiots here a couple days ago.
What you have now are guns for hire that are simply going to the highest bidder. Soon and I mean VERY soon you will see the top players playing for 4 schools in 4 years. To the 2nd part of your question yes, it benefits the student athlete but only the student athlete.
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